عفواً، عزيزي الخاتم عدلان، ألم نتواطأ جميعاً مع قوى الهوس الديني ونعرات تكويننا العنصري؟

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مكتبة د.حيدر بدوي صادق( Haydar Badawi Sadig)
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Re: عفواً، عزيزي الخاتم عدلان، ألم نتواطأ جميعاً مع قوى الهوس الديني ونعرات تكويننا العنصري؟ (Re: Haydar Badawi Sadig)



    Thanks Hassan,
    Your response was generous, my dear friend, in both messages. I didn't mean
    to invoke your sense of guilt in emotional terms, as I meant to invoke it in
    intellectual terms. I just wanted to let you know how grave an oversight it
    was to marginalize Ustaz Mahmoud in the public discourse in the so called
    "progressive" circles. This, in my judgment, is complacency of the first
    order, unconsciously committed as it may be.

    I don't know if you know that Abdel-Khalig Mahjoub was a very good friend of
    Ustaz Mahmoud. he visited him frequently, especially in the late sixties,
    as he sought solace and comfort, not only in his intellect but also in his
    ability to instill peace in his surroundings. In one account, circulated
    among Republicans, Abdel-Khalig even confided the imminence of the 1971 coup
    to Ustaz Mahmoud. This tells you the depth of their relationship, which far
    surpassed the depth of Abdel-Khalig's relationships with his closest
    "comrades" in his own party. As I understand it, even some leaders in the
    SCP were surprised when the coup took place, which tells you about the
    degree of trust -a high human value- between Ustaz Mahomud and Abdel-Khalig.
    This relationship was nourished with their commitment to our values as
    Sudanese, as well as universal values that elevate intellect in the highest
    echelons of real meaning and existence in life. Hence, came their
    sacrifices for our people.

    Having said this, I beg to differ with you when you paint Abdel-Khalig, who
    I love and respect so deeply, as a thinker. Abdel-Khalig was not, by any
    measure, in my humble judgment, an original thinker, in spite of his
    attempts to Sudanize Marxism. In fact, I think, had he lived to witness the
    fall of Marxism, he would have admitted what Ustaz Mahmoud had been
    publicizing all along that Marxism will not stand the test of time. And
    that its fall -as represented in the Soviet Bloc -is only a matter of time.
    Having been of a high moral character Abdel-Khalig, in my view, would have
    also admitted the clarity of vision of Ustaz Mahmoud as regards the imminent
    rise to power of Islamic fanaticism. In fact, he was beginning to
    appreciate the ideas of Ustaz Mahmoud in the regard after the strong stance
    of the Republicans in opposing the expulsion of the Sudanese Communist Party
    from the parliament in 1965.

    As Khatim did, in acknowledging his past failings and his blurry ideological
    vision, so would have Abdel-Khalig, for he was a man of high moral character
    . Yes, he genuinely thought Communism was the answer to our problems most
    of his adult life, but he was beginning to search for other possible answers
    to our problems -at least to compliment, and not replace Marxism. Because
    of his honesty, I think he would not have hesitated in admitting the failure
    of Marxism as an answer to our problems, and his own failings in not seeing
    things as clearly as Al-Ustaz saw them. He was wrong in his seeing poverty
    and dictatorship as the more immediate threats to our society than
    ignorance, which perpetuates both, if left unattended to. Since both
    religious and intellectual fanaticisms -i.e. Marxism- were agents for
    ignorance, and since ignorance was the main enemy that brings about poverty,
    dictatorships, and all sorts of socio-political ills, Ustaz Mahmoud advised
    that we needed to confront it first.

    As a result of how things unraveled, Abdel-Khalig would have publicly
    admitted the shortcomings of Marxism, and his failing to see Islamic
    fanaticism as the most immediate danger to be combated -as did some of his
    smartest prodigies of late. However, all these all failings of an activist
    not a thinker! If you ask anyone, today, including Communists -past and
    present- of any original idea that was not thought of before Abel Khalig -a
    true measure of a thinker- I don't think you would get any concrete answer.
    As for Abdel-Khalig's attempts to Sudanize Communism, scores of Third World
    leaders have tried it in their respective cultures. Thus, the idea was not
    unique to him.

    Ustaz Mahmoud's ideas, from wherever you look at them, were widely seen -not
    just by Republicans- as very original in spite of their connections with
    some experiences and thoughts of the Islamic past. This allows me to
    conclude that Ustaz Mahmoud is an ordinal thinker, whereas Adel-Khalig was
    not. I am using "is" and "was" in the sentence deliberately, for thought
    transcends the limits of the past to the present and beyond, while political
    activism doesn't -as compared to creative new thought. I don't need
    reminding here that even political activism of the past can inspire present
    generations, and possibly future ones, but its impact is far less
    consequential than a comprehensive new system of thought. What I am trying
    to convey here is that Ustaz Mahmoud was a great thinker, while Abdel-Khalig
    was a great political activist, whose positive role in Sudan's historical
    development would only be belittled by a fool.

    This leads me to suggest that marginalizing -actually ignoring- Ustaz
    Mahmoud, even in the context of discussing Abdullahi Ali Ibrahim and
    Abdel-Khalig, is a grave oversight. I may have understood that oversight
    had you not discussed the issue at the mega analysis level of Sudanese
    intellectualism (in which case your analysis would have been very
    shallow -which it wasn't, because the likes of you would never be shallow).
    Your mega analysis even discussed Islamic fanatic intellectuals, like Mahdi
    Ibrahim, for God's sake!

    I am sure you understand that I am not trying to condemn you here, as I am
    trying to condemn all of us, including the Republicans, who really didn't
    understand the gravity of their loss up to this moment. I am trying to say
    that what Al-Ustaz represented was derailed by all of us, because we were
    all complacent in overlooking his genius example, by seeing it as a suspect
    religious experience. (Here I must say that even though the Republicans
    didn't see religion as suspect, but they have failed to see the thinker in
    Ustaz Mahmoud as much as they saw a religious figure, which masked the man,
    and his real contribution. This itself was a form of unconscious
    complacency.) Religion was acutely suspect in the days of Abdel-Khalig in
    "progressive" circles. But, interestingly, Abdel-Khalig himself was not
    suspect of religion, as most of his "comrades" and his prodigies were. (I
    even heard that he was a practicing Muslim, and stand to be corrected on
    this.) This may explain his, then, unbreakable bond with Ustaz Mahmoud, for
    he realized the significance of what Ustaz Mahmoud represents, especially
    when Abdel-Khalig, and a limited minority of intellectuals, realized
    belatedly how dangerously effective Islamic fanatics have become in the late
    1960s.

    Before I close, I would also like to point out another major difference
    between Ustaz Mahmoud and Abdel-Khalig, namely in the manner in which they
    sacrificed their lives. I already told you that Abdel-Khalig confided to
    Ustaz Mahmoud that his party was planning a coup -whether Abdel-Khalig was
    in agreement with the decision of the party is another matter to be sorted
    out by historians. Al-Ustaz, however, strongly advised him against it,
    giving him many reasons. Abdel-Khalig didn't heed the advise, and didn't
    make any effort to prevent the coup. This may been because he gave in to the
    strong opinions of his "comrades" for the execution of the coup, or due to
    his own ambitions for power, and his perceived role as a positive force in
    Sudanese politics -depending on how the decision was made in the circles of
    the SCP. Whatever the case might have been, Abdel-Khalig did believe that
    "violence" against a corrupt "imperialist regime" was justified. And he
    acted upon this belief, which was highly engrained in Marxist ideology
    itself. As a result, his party -if not he himself- was violent, the
    consequence of which was more violence from allies of the very near past,
    Nimeiri and his clique. His death, therefore, was, in a sense, of his own
    making, in the very sense that violence breads violence. This is not to
    diminish his brave stand as he faced death, when it became clear to him that
    there was no way out - in fact, the junta at that time didn't even offer him
    a way out.

    In the case of Ustaz Mahmoud, however, "violence" was not even an option.
    Ustaz Mahmoud stayed his course, enduring the scorn of low weight
    "progressive" intellectuals, including most Communists, on the one hand,
    and fighting the lowly Islamic fanatic thugs, who were constantly seeking
    ways to conspire against his life, on the other. He knew and endured all
    this, because of his deep conviction that, ultimately, what he stands for
    will, one day, be appreciated. And he gave his life for it, willingly,
    contrary to what happened in Abdel-Khalig's case, where an unexpected turn
    of events resulted in his unsought and unwanted martyrdom. You know well
    that Ustaz Mahmoud was offered a way out -which was the possibility of
    saving his life if he recanted his ideas- and he steadfastly refused it,
    opting for death instead.

    Abdel-Khalig, therefore -great as he was, and he definitely was- fails to
    stand in comparison with Ustaz Mahmoud in the same moral platform, which is
    only reserved in human history for pacifists and true thinkers.

    I hope I have made myself clear enough to be understood. And I hope what I
    said would not be dispelled as irrational thinking of someone who just
    "believes" in Ustaz Mahmoud in religious terms only. This will, in my
    judgment, be a continuation of a pattern of complacency and prejudice
    against anything borne of religion. This sort of complacency is as grave as
    the Islamic fanaticism in its consequences, for it, in fact, resulted in the
    perpetuation of the latter, which in turn have long crippled our historical
    development in the Sudan. I am particularly trying to say in this last
    sentence that so called "progressives" have, quite consciously at times,
    thought of the Republican experience in the same manner in which they
    thought of other religious groups. This made those "progressives,"
    knowingly or unknowingly, complacent in crippling creative thinking and
    experiences in the Sudan, especially creative Islamic thought of Ustaz
    Mahmoud Mohamed Taha, which Abdel-Khalig himself so deeply appreciated, but
    too late!

    Please share what we are discussing here with others. I will also put up
    for public discussion, hopefully soon.

    Chow for now!

    Your faithfully,
    Haydar
                  

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عفواً، عزيزي الخاتم عدلان، ألم نتواطأ جميعاً مع قوى الهوس الديني ونعرات تكويننا العنصري؟ Haydar Badawi Sadig02-18-05, 10:03 AM
  Re: عفواً، عزيزي الخاتم عدلان، ألم نتواطأ جميعاً مع قوى الهوس الديني ونعرات تكويننا العنصري؟ Haydar Badawi Sadig02-18-05, 10:28 AM
    Re: عفواً، عزيزي الخاتم عدلان، ألم نتواطأ جميعاً مع قوى الهوس الديني ونعرات تكويننا العنصري؟ Mutwakil Mustafa02-23-05, 07:48 PM
  Re: عفواً، عزيزي الخاتم عدلان، ألم نتواطأ جميعاً مع قوى الهوس الديني ونعرات تكويننا العنصري؟ Bashasha02-18-05, 10:33 AM
  Re: عفواً، عزيزي الخاتم عدلان، ألم نتواطأ جميعاً مع قوى الهوس الديني ونعرات تكويننا العنصري؟ عاطف عمر02-18-05, 02:06 PM
  Re: عفواً، عزيزي الخاتم عدلان، ألم نتواطأ جميعاً مع قوى الهوس الديني ونعرات تكويننا العنصري؟ بهاء بكري02-19-05, 00:06 AM
    Re: عفواً، عزيزي الخاتم عدلان، ألم نتواطأ جميعاً مع قوى الهوس الديني ونعرات تكويننا العنصري؟ Mutwakil Mustafa03-03-05, 08:00 PM
  Re: عفواً، عزيزي الخاتم عدلان، ألم نتواطأ جميعاً مع قوى الهوس الديني ونعرات تكويننا العنصري؟ Omer5402-19-05, 02:45 AM
    Re: عفواً، عزيزي الخاتم عدلان، ألم نتواطأ جميعاً مع قوى الهوس الديني ونعرات تكويننا العنصري؟ Abo Amna02-19-05, 03:03 AM
      Re: عفواً، عزيزي الخاتم عدلان، ألم نتواطأ جميعاً مع قوى الهوس الديني ونعرات تكويننا العنصري؟ Mutwakil Mustafa03-09-05, 08:36 PM
  Re: عفواً، عزيزي الخاتم عدلان، ألم نتواطأ جميعاً مع قوى الهوس الديني ونعرات تكويننا العنصري؟ AbuSarah02-19-05, 06:10 AM
  Re: عفواً، عزيزي الخاتم عدلان، ألم نتواطأ جميعاً مع قوى الهوس الديني ونعرات تكويننا العنصري؟ وانجا02-19-05, 07:19 AM
    Re: عفواً، عزيزي الخاتم عدلان، ألم نتواطأ جميعاً مع قوى الهوس الديني ونعرات تكويننا العنصري؟ Haydar Badawi Sadig02-19-05, 09:06 AM
      Re: عفواً، عزيزي الخاتم عدلان، ألم نتواطأ جميعاً مع قوى الهوس الديني ونعرات تكويننا العنصري؟ elsawi02-20-05, 04:10 PM
  Re: عفواً، عزيزي الخاتم عدلان، ألم نتواطأ جميعاً مع قوى الهوس الديني ونعرات تكويننا العنصري؟ saif khalil02-19-05, 08:22 AM
  Re: عفواً، عزيزي الخاتم عدلان، ألم نتواطأ جميعاً مع قوى الهوس الديني ونعرات تكويننا العنصري؟ Bashasha02-19-05, 12:53 PM
    Re: عفواً، عزيزي الخاتم عدلان، ألم نتواطأ جميعاً مع قوى الهوس الديني ونعرات تكويننا العنصري؟ Haydar Badawi Sadig02-19-05, 03:14 PM
      Re: عفواً، عزيزي الخاتم عدلان، ألم نتواطأ جميعاً مع قوى الهوس الديني ونعرات تكويننا العنصري؟ Haydar Badawi Sadig02-19-05, 03:17 PM
        Re: عفواً، عزيزي الخاتم عدلان، ألم نتواطأ جميعاً مع قوى الهوس الديني ونعرات تكويننا العنصري؟ Haydar Badawi Sadig02-19-05, 03:51 PM
          Re: عفواً، عزيزي الخاتم عدلان، ألم نتواطأ جميعاً مع قوى الهوس الديني ونعرات تكويننا العنصري؟ Haydar Badawi Sadig02-19-05, 03:55 PM
            Re: عفواً، عزيزي الخاتم عدلان، ألم نتواطأ جميعاً مع قوى الهوس الديني ونعرات تكويننا العنصري؟ Haydar Badawi Sadig02-19-05, 04:44 PM
  Re: عفواً، عزيزي الخاتم عدلان، ألم نتواطأ جميعاً مع قوى الهوس الديني ونعرات تكويننا العنصري؟ AbuSarah02-20-05, 02:25 AM
    Re: عفواً، عزيزي الخاتم عدلان، ألم نتواطأ جميعاً مع قوى الهوس الديني ونعرات تكويننا العنصري؟ بدري الياس02-20-05, 04:45 AM
      Re: عفواً، عزيزي الخاتم عدلان، ألم نتواطأ جميعاً مع قوى الهوس الديني ونعرات تكويننا العنصري؟ Haydar Badawi Sadig02-20-05, 08:37 AM
  Re: عفواً، عزيزي الخاتم عدلان، ألم نتواطأ جميعاً مع قوى الهوس الديني ونعرات تكويننا العنصري؟ Bashasha02-20-05, 04:02 PM
    Re: عفواً، عزيزي الخاتم عدلان، ألم نتواطأ جميعاً مع قوى الهوس الديني ونعرات تكويننا العنصري؟ Haydar Badawi Sadig02-21-05, 10:40 AM
      Re: عفواً، عزيزي الخاتم عدلان، ألم نتواطأ جميعاً مع قوى الهوس الديني ونعرات تكويننا العنصري؟ Haydar Badawi Sadig02-21-05, 11:35 AM
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