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 Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) (Re: رأفت ميلاد)
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Dear Rafat ,good to see you back and i hope your wife is doing okay by now. I understood your intention out of this post. I didn't see you insulting someone's religion here.
Ya
Take it easy please. You have indicated that I insulted Islam in another post and I did not care much. You are very emotional person and passionate about Islam. That’s okay and I can deal with it. But you have to understand that no one owns these religions and ideologies.
If you feel that Rafat Milad has insulted Islam, write to him, ask for an apology and explanation, but don’t attack his own belief as a counterattack move. Let us just fact it man! You can’t defend Islam by attacking Christianity. With all due respect to you,
You barely make it in the Islamic arena, so please relax and if you want to play in the Christian arena, you need to educate yourself first by reading the bible. You are going about attacking the bible and Christianity, and you don’t even know what Christianity is.
Do you really think that you can make a Christian feel a shamed that the bible is stating the story of the daughters of Lots having sex with their father? Do you really believe so? In fact, when you do that, it only shows your ignorance about the bible, the book which you have not read. The bible is telling you the truth as it. From A to z. there had been a sin committed by 2 persons and the bible is telling you what went on. Lot is not a prophet in the bible. In the bible, no one is sinless and all fall in sins even prophets do sins because they are human beings .God is the only sinless being on the bible and he is the savor as well. The bible is telling you that the king David has killed and committed adultery and the king David is the father of Jesus only according to the flesh. The son of man is the son of David. Now, what do you understand?! Has King David met Marry the mother of Jesus according to the flesh. This is deep for you and only God can show it you. When will God show you this?! When you go out and get a bible and read it. I can tell you and break down to you everything in the bible only with the help of God. Not the help of a pastor in a church. Not with the help of the pop who is a catholic and catholic is a religion. Only God can make you understand that. The Holy Spirit does the job; however you need to read. Let me give me more of what the bible is saying. The bible is telling you that the king Solomon the son of David took some strange wives and worshipped idols near his death. Now do you know the point that God is trying to make by listing these true stories and accounts about these people? The point is, that no one is righteous and all men and women do fall in sins and the human race is a dead race walking since the fall of Adam and Eve in the spiritual death which separated them from God. The point is that when human beings allow the flesh to take over, the sin will take over. The point is in a verse in the book of Romans. Here read.
10As it is written:
"There is no one righteous, not even one;
11there is no one who understands,
no one who seeks God.
12All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one
another point..
And let me tell you, before you read the bible, you have to know and get a little of information about the book that you are about to read.
Let me help you so you don’t make a fool out of yourself next time.
The first 5 books of the bible deal with the law and they are the books of Moses. If you want my own advice and just to understand what the word LAW might means ,after you read the first 5 books ,jump right to the New Testament and read the book of Romans. You can take my advice, or you can read the bible one book after another.
After that there are books of history
Then the books of wisdom
Then the prophet books
Then the New Testament which start with the ministry of Jesus Christ on earth
Then the ministry of the apostle right after the 4 Gospel.
Now, this is just an over view and I’m not listing the name of the books for you. Genesis is Genesis for a reason, so does exodus. In the bible the truth is being told, if someone committed adultery, the accident and the account of the story is being told, if the Jewish people worshiped other Gods, which they actually have, that account is being told as well. Do you see? The Jewish who are the external representatives of the kingdom of God on earth or in another easy word, the chosen one in the Old Testament, did worship other GODS in the bible. Now, can you believe that? After God gave them everything, they turned their back on him. If the Jewish did corrupted the bible ,they could have taken that part off the bible because it does make them look so bad ,but they did not and no one did change anything in the bible because the being saved by God.
Now Islam is telling you the bible has been changed by people, however, the same Islam doesn’t give you the name of the people who changed the bible. What do you call that??! I will leave that to you. I’m just giving you one little example as to show you why Islam doesn’t stand a chance and by any measure ,sense ,logic , etc. many honest Muslims know these arguments and they avoid thinking about them because of fear. On the other hand , Christians don’t go around preaching you about this to make your life a living hell ,but rather they pray for you to read the bible and just read it for once.Now did the claim of Islam stopped there ?! . The answer is now. Read on dear
Islam tells you that Christians worship three Gods or one God among Three, and after you go and read the bible and find out that Christians do not worship three Gods or one God among three others that tells you one thing. Whoever made up Islam, did not understand the bible. In another post I wrote that Jesus is not a biological son of God as Muhammad thought that Christians think that Jesus is. Based on that, Muhammad started Islam as an anti religion of Christianity by attacking the belief of Christians by denying Jesus being God the son and denying crucifixion. In Christianity Jesus is not a biological son of God, but he is God the son. He is the son of David according to his sinless flesh. This sinless flesh was put on the cross to give people life and to fulfill the law by Grace. Jesus said in one account that he did not come to destroy the law ,but to finish the work. God doesn’t break his own law. This is deep Christianity and to know it, you simple need to read. Jesus was born under the law to free the people from the curse of the law. I see you have touched on that in another posts ,and you don’t know some keywords. You need to study the meaning of these words.
The law
The grace
The best place to find info about these 2 words is the bible. I can’t say it anymore. Get a B I B L E and read it ya Muhammad Sulman E. Have good day and please , I’m not trying to make you feel bad so don’t take this essay personal. I want to help you. Believe me I want to. Read the bible and keep attacking at least you will know what you r doing. Believe me when I say this..i love you and I’m sure Rafat loves you as well.
Read this
19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
Note the verse says in the name and not in the names. This verse had been in the bible before the birth of Muhammad. Now do you see why You can’t defend Islam by attacking Christianity
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 الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | رأفت ميلاد | 05-23-07, 11:38 PM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | رأفت ميلاد | 05-23-07, 11:39 PM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | رأفت ميلاد | 05-23-07, 11:40 PM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | رأفت ميلاد | 05-23-07, 11:41 PM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | Deng | 05-24-07, 02:35 AM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | رأفت ميلاد | 05-24-07, 05:53 AM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | محمد الامين احمد | 05-24-07, 06:58 AM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | رأفت ميلاد | 05-24-07, 03:07 PM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | Mohamed E. Seliaman | 05-24-07, 04:10 PM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | رأفت ميلاد | 05-24-07, 07:25 PM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | haider osman | 05-24-07, 03:41 PM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | haider osman | 05-24-07, 03:41 PM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | رأفت ميلاد | 05-24-07, 08:16 PM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | الواثق الصادق | 05-24-07, 08:42 PM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | رأفت ميلاد | 05-24-07, 11:07 PM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | kamalabas | 05-24-07, 08:52 PM |
 Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | A.Razek Althalib | 05-24-07, 09:38 PM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | رأفت ميلاد | 05-25-07, 11:10 AM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | رأفت ميلاد | 05-24-07, 11:41 PM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | BAKTASH | 05-24-07, 09:49 PM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | حسام يوسف | 05-24-07, 10:29 PM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | رأفت ميلاد | 05-25-07, 12:14 PM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | رأفت ميلاد | 05-25-07, 09:51 AM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | jini | 05-24-07, 11:19 PM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | رأفت ميلاد | 05-25-07, 12:29 PM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | Sabri Elshareef | 05-25-07, 03:19 AM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | رأفت ميلاد | 05-25-07, 01:09 PM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | Mohamed E. Seliaman | 05-25-07, 01:13 PM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | محمد مكى محمد | 05-25-07, 01:06 PM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | رأفت ميلاد | 05-25-07, 02:54 PM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | رأفت ميلاد | 05-25-07, 03:17 PM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | Haydar Badawi Sadig | 05-25-07, 03:57 PM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | رأفت ميلاد | 05-25-07, 07:03 PM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | Muhib | 05-25-07, 05:23 PM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | رأفت ميلاد | 05-26-07, 10:11 AM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | ابوالقاسم ابراهيم الحاج | 05-25-07, 04:35 PM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | Adil Isaac | 05-25-07, 05:50 PM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | رأفت ميلاد | 05-26-07, 02:13 PM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | رأفت ميلاد | 05-25-07, 08:23 PM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | محمد عمر الفكي | 05-26-07, 09:32 AM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | رأفت ميلاد | 05-26-07, 02:28 PM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | Elmosley | 05-26-07, 03:22 PM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | Mohamed E. Seliaman | 05-27-07, 07:26 AM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | رأفت ميلاد | 05-27-07, 11:34 AM |
| Re: الهوس الدينى خطوة الى الوراء يجب محاربتها (فرانكى مثال) | Sabri Elshareef | 06-01-07, 01:53 AM |
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