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 Re: الاندبندنت: كيف زرعت السعودية بذور التطرف (Re: Yasir Elsharif)
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سلامالتريه الخصبه التي اوجددتها انظمة الحكم في كل من بلجيكا وهولندا والمانيا بعزل العماله المستجلبه من تركيا والمغرب وبعض دول افريقيايعد نهاية الحرب العالميه الثانيه ووضعهم في احياء سكنية منعزله عن مجتمعاتهم. بالاضافة الي قتل طموح من يطلع الي الخروج من عنقالزجاجة هي التي مهدت الطريق لهذا الزرع. شاهدت امس في السينما فلم BLACK . وهو يسلط الضوء على ما يحصل في الساحة
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Re: الاندبندنت: كيف زرعت السعودية بذور التطرف (Re: عمر نملة)
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سلام يا أخي عمركلامك له وجه من وجوه الصحة، هناك تربة صالحة، ولكني أعطيها نسبة 10 في المائة من أسباب انتشار التطرف والإرهاب. 90 في المائة من التطرف والإرهاب سببه انتشار الفكر التكفيري الذي خرج من عباءة الفكر الوهابي ومن فكر الأخوان المسلمين. ولذلك نجد انتشار التكفير في غرب أفريقيا وفي الصومال وفي السعودية وفي مصر وليبيا وتونس والمغرب، وطبعا في السودان. ياسر
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Re: الاندبندنت: كيف زرعت السعودية بذور التطرف (Re: Yasir Elsharif)
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شكرا لك يا عمر لوضع الفيلم الذي ذكرته..هذا هو نص ما جاء في صحيفة الإندبندنت اليوم:Paris attacks: How the influence of Saudi Arabia sowed the seeds of radicalism in BelgiumA deal established in 1967 between Belgium’s King Baudouin and Saudi King Faisal may provide some answersLeo Cendrowicz 15 hours ago2 comments
A protester in Antwerp belonging to the German group 'Pegida' (Patriotic Europeans Against the Islamisation of the West) in March. The group drew up to 25,000 people in German street rallies earlier this year GettyThere are many reasons why Belgium has become a hotbed of radical Islamism. Some of the answers may lie in the implanting of Saudi Salafist preachers in the country from the 1960s.Keen to secure oil contracts, Belgium’s King Baudouin made an offer to Saudi King Faisal, who had visited Brussels in 1967: Belgium would set up a mosque in the capital, and hire Gulf-trained clerics. At the time, Belgium was encouraging Moroccan and Turkish workers to come into the country as cheap labour. The deal between the two Kings would make the mosque their main place of worship. Brussels already had the perfect place. An oriental pavilion designed by Belgian architect Ernest Van Humbeek had been built in the capital’s Cinquantenaire park in 1879, but was falling into disuse. The 1967 deal gave the Saudis a 99-year, rent-free lease. The pavilion was refashioned by the Saudis, opening in 1978 as the Great Mosque of Brussels, as well as the seat of the Islamic and Cultural Centre of Belgium (ICC).Although the mosque was treated as the official voice of Muslims in Belgium, its radical Salafist teachings came from a very different tradition to the Islam of the new immigrants. Today, there are around 600,000 people of Moroccan and Turkish origin in Belgium, a country of 11 million. Belgium: Police board up house of key suspect in Paris attacks“The Moroccan community comes from mountainous regions and rift valleys, not the desert. They come from the Maliki school of Islam, and are a lot more tolerant and open than the Muslims from other regions like Saudi Arabia,” says George Dallemagne, a Belgian member of parliament for the centre-right CDH, an opposition party. “However, many of them were re-Islamified by the Salafist clerics and teachers from the Great Mosque. Some Moroccans were even given scholarships to study in Medina, in Saudi Arabia.”Mr Dallemagne says the Salafist clerics have tried to undermine attempts by Moroccan immigrants to integrate into Belgium. “We like to think Saudi Arabia is an ally and friend, but the Saudis are always engaged in double-talk: they want an alliance with the West when it comes to fighting Shias in Iran, but nonetheless have a conquering ideology when it comes to their religion in the rest of the world,” he said.Mr Dallemagne has sponsored many resolutions in the Belgian parliament aimed at loosening ties with Saudi Arabia, and reducing the Salafist influence in Belgium. “We can’t have a dialogue with countries that want to destabilise us,” he says. “The problem is that it is only recently that authorities are finally opening their eyes to this.” The mosque has sought to send a strong message opposing the latest attacks, with Mohamed Ndiaye, one of the centre’s imams, releasing a statement in the aftermath: “We would like to express our deep sorrow over the Paris attacks. Our thoughts are with the people of Paris and the victims’ families.” Other officials have also come out to repeat the message that Islam is a religion of peace and has nothing to do with the terrorists of Molenbeek.But the mosque remains a concern for the Belgian government: in August, a WikiLeaks cable revealed that a staff member of the Saudi embassy in Belgium was expelled years ago over his active role in spreading the extreme so-called Takfiri dogma. The cable – between the Saudi King and his Home Minister – referred to Belgian demands that the ICC’s Saudi director, Khalid Alabri, should leave the country, saying that his messages were far too extreme, and that his status as director meant he should not be preaching anyway.
(عدل بواسطة Yasir Elsharif on 11-24-2015, 01:33 PM)
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Re: الاندبندنت: كيف زرعت السعودية بذور التطرف (Re: Othman Al-Hasan Babikir)
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اعداء اسلام شنو!ده شي واضح و حقيقة تاريخية لا تقبل الجدال. خرجت السلفية من السعودية و انتشرتباموال النفط . حتى الاخوان المسلمين المصريين و السوريين بعد المحن التي المت بهم في بلدانهمهربوا للسعودية و منها مولوا انشطتهم و اصبح تنظيمهم بمثابة التعليم الاساسي للارهابيين ينتقلونبعده للمرحلة الجامعية ليتخرجوا بعدها في تخصصات جماعة الجهاد او الجماعة الاسلامية او التكفيرو الهجرة او القاعدة او اذا اجتهدوا و عملوا دراسات عليا يصبحون داعشيين.طبعا هناك بعض الطلاب النوابغ الذين يذهبون للجامعة مباشرة دون الحاجة لدخول مرحلة الأساس.
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Re: الاندبندنت: كيف زرعت السعودية بذور التطرف (Re: سيف النصر محي الدين)
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independentParis attacks: Why Belgium is at the heart of a destructive wave of terror in EuropeThe nation's authorities realise that complacency towards extremism has allowed fundamentalist influences to festerLeo Cendrowicz Brussels 21 hours ago32 commentsAs a modest, if prosperous nation of just 11 million, Belgium rarely makes news headlines, yet today it has the unenviable distinction of being Europe’s Jihadist hothouse.After the Paris attacks, police quickly traced the terrorists to Brussels, raiding addresses in the Molenbeek district and arresting seven suspects. It was in the grimy, run-down, neighbourhood that investigators believe the Paris plot was hatched by Abdelhamid Abaaoud, the Belgian-born son of an immigrant shopkeeper from Morocco.Abaaoud is only part of a web of Belgium-based foot soldiers, whose exploits have left a trail of death across Europe. And beyond: around 500 young Belgians have gone to Syria to fight for Jihadist groups like Isis – per capita, no other European country has sent more foreign fighters. Why is Belgium at the heart of Europe’s most destructive wave of terrorism in a generation؟ There is no single explanation, but rather a number of ingredients, from post-war immigration from north Africa, hate preachers, ghettos, poverty, and marginalision. There is also a belated realisation by the Belgian authorities that complacency towards extremism has allowed the pernicious Islamic influences to fester. Islamist extremism has a long history in Belgium. While there have been few attacks on Belgian soil, there has been significant involvement in atrocities elsewhere. There are links to the murder of the Afghan anti-Taliban fighter Ahmed Shah Masoud – just before the September 2001 attacks in the US – and the Groupe Islamique Marocain Combattant (GICM), which had a major role in the 2004 Madrid train bombings. In 2005, Muslim convert Muriel Degauque, became the first known female Western suicide bomber, when she blew herself up in Iraq. Some of the problems are thought to have deeper roots, including a 1970s decision to allow Saudi Arabia to send preachers with fundamentalist, Salafist teachings to Moroccan immigrants. The Great Mosque of Brussels is still owned by the Saudi royal family. However, it was the Syrian civil war that gave the jihadists their recent fillip. Belgium’s chief police commissioner Catherine de Bolle says that of 474 Belgians linked with the Syria conflict, about 130 have returned, 77 have died in the conflict, and more than 200 are still over there. Intelligence officials say that Syria – in particular, the ultra-violent ideology of Isis – represents a paradigm shift from seeking a regional caliphate to global Jihad. The Belgian connection was laid bare in the recent trial in Antwerp of Fouad Belkacem, the leader of the radical group Sharia4Belgium, which claimed to be an Islamic information network, but was actively recruiting fighters for Syria. Mr Belkacem, a 32-year-old Islamic radical, was accused by prosecutors of belonging to a terrorist group and brainwashing young people. In February, he was sentenced to 12 years in prison. It was the largest trial of its kind in the country: 44 other members of Sharia4Belgium were given sentences ranging between three and 12 years, although most of them in absentia, as they were in Syria.  A bomb disposal robot is deployed following an alert in Brussels (Reuters)The trial revealed how sophisticated the underground Jihadist pipeline had become. Although Belgian security services have infiltrated mosques more effectively in past decade – in part, after discovering a Belgian connection to the 2005 Madrid bombings – Sharia4Belgium and others have found ways to evade surveillance by using internet chat rooms and social media. Almost all the trails linking Belgium to terrorism find their way to Molenbeek, the deprived Brussels commune. Belgian Prime Minister Charles Michel, who has promised a crackdown on extremism in the country, says there is a “huge problem” in Molenbeek, and has suggested closing some of the commune’s 22 mosques.The situation is not helped by a fractured law enforcement – the Brussels region has 19 communes and operationally independent police zones – and a shortage of Arabic speakers in the Belgian intelligence services. Bilal Benyaich from the Itinera Institute, a Brussels-based think tank, says Molenbeek is a melting pot of malign elements. “You have big Muslim communities boxed into tight housing in poor neighbourhoods,” he says. Mr Benyaich says that many young Muslims feel marginalised from mainstream Belgian life. “This real or perceived sense of exclusion is combined with extreme Islam,” he says. “All these problems come together in a complex process of indoctrination and alienation.”
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Yasir Elsharif
عمر نملة
Othman Al-Hasan Babikir
سيف النصر محي الدين
فيس بوك
تويتر
انستقرام
يوتيوب
بنتيريست