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Re: حوار مع السنجك (Re: أبكر آدم إسماعيل)
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Dear Abakar, I was so impressed by the way that you have presented your opinions and I think this a real breakthrough that will help every body to gain the fruits of the valuable discussion that is conducted in the mean time here in the board in what is related to the issues of the identity in the Sudan. Let me first encourage Elsinjack and Elsahir to try to be objective in stating any premises that they think are the roots for the cronic situation that our nations are facing and challenging since the 1956. It is simple for any one to say any thing without any limitations, but for sure there is an effort and time that will be lost, so we need to establish well based ground that we all could share in presenting what so ever we wants, and this ground has to be founded on the scientific bases in order to gain the benefits and develop a new way of thinking towards our concerns as Sudanese nations. Having no such conceptual apptoach to any dailoge then it will be like the Sudanese mith" Haja Elsura and her nougher Haja Halima, both they suffer the hearing problem and one day Haja Halima called to Haja Elsura wether she is going to the market so she will be a companion to her in her way too, and with out hearing Haja Elsura said no, then Haja Halima responded sorry Elsura I thought you are going to the market, and both went to the market without geting chance to enjoy the chat to each other. Therefore we do not need to be talking just for the sake of talking, and to do so the only standard that could control this is to be restrictly objective in stating any opinions and let us put an end to what is so called the principle of generalization for things. Directly to the heart of the issue I believe that Dr. Abakar has touched the vital nerves of the issue and still more analysis is needed to cover the all aspects of the issue, and I would like to disagree with any one who wants to deny the naked fact of the existance of the racial descrimination in Sudan in its nastiest face, it is our current history that we have to face and challenge and not dream of tolerance to come out of the innjustice standards, and for the one who said that the jobs has nothing to do with the Identity conflict; I think this is just jumping over an obvious fact and I will try to state that in simple questions, I would be very happy if any of us could think for a while before trying to answer to him self and not to the board, they are key question: 1-Who we are? 2- What do we wanna do with our lives, isn't it enough to pay the blood of four million (4,000,000) the victims of the war during the last twenty years according to the Human Rights Watch.? 3- If we manage to answer the mentioned above two questioned, how are we going to accomplish what we have dreamt of as a nations that found them selves unwillingly together in land that called the Sudan in 1898? and remeber no one of us who are suffering right now has contribued in marking these lands in 1898? I wander what is different between what Elsinjack has stated and what the former Sudanese TV manager Elieb Mustafa wrote in one of the daily newspapers, " HE SAID THAT THE NORHERN SUDAN NEED PEOPLE ARMY TO GET RID OFF THE BURDEN OF THE WAR IN THE SOUTH AND HE BROUGHT FIGURES TO OF THE AMOUNTS THAT WAS PAID IN THE WAR, AND MENTIONED THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH TO GREEN THE NORTH" Any one could rationalize for me why there is no any one from Elsinjack tribe ever seen working as Altagi as Abakar said? And more why the displaced, homeless , and the so called shamasha are from GUBUSH, you think it is a matter of education , this could be true if the ratio of educated people in the Elsinjack tribe is 90% and in Four tibe is 10%, please the mentioned tribe is an example, do not misqoute out of the syntax, and even if it is due to the educational matters, would you please tell me who create this unfair chances, is it accidental or it has something to do with the dynamic movement of the societies? I think it cost the southreners 48 years of armed struggle to buy thier dignity and thier respect and make so many of us now speak different langauge, do u think Elsinjack will talk what seems tolerated language at least even with its inclusion to the superiority senses , if there is no 4,000,000 lost ? So I think there is all the relations between the power and the socio-economical differences in any society and that what made Abakar talk about the jobs and why some are classified as inferior and should be done by the inferior groups. I heard once from some of the bright intelecuals that the most of the Sudanese cities are already became surrouned by what is so called the black belt- just imajine the discriminations in its high level, how do you want us to live together; love each other and still the Senjacks( by the way I use the Senjacks as anew term for the Islamoarabian groups - it could be equivalent to Galaba, or mondokoro if we have to take it back the idieology) are enjoying the benefits of every thing called National, I realy don't understand what does national means in Sudan - the TV showed in the last few years program for one hour under the name of : Back to roots- and the funniest thing was the roots ; it was the Sagia and the Palmleaves - Nakhiel, the north and never the roots were considerd to be Nomli or Farashia, or even Id Elfursan- this the way how subconcious work as per the modern theories of the phycology. And still there is some one who is defending the Northist as working twards the unified Sudan- it will happen if not the Northists but the Islamoarabians are ready to release from the fruits and the benefits of the power with its reflections. Every body is free to be what so ever he likes, Arab, German Or even an angel this none of our concerns, but by the time u be what so ever u wants, please, never ever attempt to think u are the best and never even think that by being the cousin of Mohammed will help you to be supperior on the head of any body it is as simple as that: with out such concept there will be no bases for Democratic National state that all its people are same upon the law and it is the identity once a gain; which law that has to rule Ya Elinjacks? You may answer Shariaa , The issue was so complicated and it has the dialectical realtionships with socio- economy and power and the way we live? I think with out cleaning this nasty wounds and be ready to smell its nasty smell we can not talk about peacefull societies therefore i think what Abakar was saying is a partial cleaning to these wounds and this will be the case even if the SPLM and the GOS signed a peace accord no social peace without asking the real questions and change the injustice relatioships.
To be continue
Bakry Eljack
(عدل بواسطة Bakry Eljack on 05-08-2003, 06:23 AM)
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حوار مع السنجك | أبكر آدم إسماعيل | 05-04-03, 06:25 AM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | alsngaq | 05-04-03, 08:01 AM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | doma | 05-04-03, 08:08 AM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | أبكر آدم إسماعيل | 05-04-03, 08:13 AM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | alsngaq | 05-04-03, 09:38 AM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | أبكر آدم إسماعيل | 05-05-03, 02:38 AM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | ودقاسم | 05-04-03, 10:01 AM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | أبكر آدم إسماعيل | 05-05-03, 03:09 AM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | مهيرة | 05-06-03, 01:15 PM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | ودقاسم | 05-05-03, 02:52 PM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | Abdel Aati | 05-05-03, 04:34 PM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | Abdel Aati | 05-05-03, 05:08 PM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | أبكر آدم إسماعيل | 05-05-03, 05:29 PM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | Abdel Aati | 05-05-03, 09:29 PM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | BousH | 05-05-03, 11:19 PM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | الساحر | 05-05-03, 11:59 PM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | abdelgafar.saeed | 05-06-03, 00:46 AM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | abdel abayazid | 05-06-03, 02:07 AM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | nazar hussien | 05-06-03, 08:49 AM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | Tumadir | 05-07-03, 09:07 AM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | nazar hussien | 05-07-03, 09:36 AM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | Adrob wad Elkhatib | 05-07-03, 10:21 AM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | Bakry Eljack | 05-07-03, 07:25 PM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | أبكر آدم إسماعيل | 05-07-03, 08:38 PM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | ابنوس | 05-08-03, 01:48 AM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | بت قضيم | 05-08-03, 11:12 AM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | hala guta | 05-09-03, 04:25 PM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | وانجا | 05-09-03, 06:20 PM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | نادر | 05-10-03, 08:47 AM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | nazar hussien | 05-10-03, 10:34 AM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | أبكر آدم إسماعيل | 05-11-03, 06:59 AM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | أبكر آدم إسماعيل | 05-12-03, 08:15 PM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | esam gabralla | 05-13-03, 08:58 AM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | Yasir Elsharif | 05-13-03, 01:16 PM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | Deng | 05-13-03, 04:38 PM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | nazar hussien | 05-14-03, 07:12 AM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | ود شاموق | 05-14-03, 12:02 PM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | Dr_Bringy | 05-14-03, 02:08 PM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | خالد عويس | 05-14-03, 02:46 PM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | خالد عويس | 05-14-03, 05:38 PM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | esam gabralla | 05-15-03, 12:14 PM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | hala guta | 05-15-03, 05:16 PM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | Outcast | 05-15-03, 09:14 PM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | hala guta | 05-17-03, 04:10 AM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | أبكر آدم إسماعيل | 05-19-03, 04:29 AM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | Bakry Eljack | 05-19-03, 07:18 AM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | nazar hussien | 05-19-03, 08:31 AM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | Bakry Eljack | 05-19-03, 09:01 AM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | esam gabralla | 05-19-03, 09:01 AM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | خالد عويس | 05-19-03, 03:53 PM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | عاطف عبدالله | 05-20-03, 09:13 PM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | Bakry Eljack | 05-21-03, 09:53 AM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | Ahmedain | 05-21-03, 12:33 PM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | Tumadir | 05-21-03, 12:44 PM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | BousH | 05-22-03, 03:51 AM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | وانجا | 05-22-03, 11:28 AM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | الساحر | 05-23-03, 05:30 PM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | eyes of liberty | 05-23-03, 10:28 PM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | أبكر آدم إسماعيل | 05-25-03, 09:06 AM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | nazar hussien | 05-25-03, 09:57 AM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | أبكر آدم إسماعيل | 05-25-03, 07:47 PM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | خالد عويس | 05-25-03, 10:09 PM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | eyes of liberty | 05-26-03, 10:07 PM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | Ahmedain | 05-27-03, 04:32 AM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | أبكر آدم إسماعيل | 05-28-03, 09:29 PM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | eyes of liberty | 05-29-03, 00:13 AM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | أبكر آدم إسماعيل | 06-04-03, 08:16 PM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | esam gabralla | 06-04-03, 11:54 PM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | nazar hussien | 06-05-03, 07:01 AM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | Kabar | 06-06-03, 01:28 AM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | cola | 06-06-03, 01:58 AM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | alfatih | 06-06-03, 12:12 PM |
Re: حوار مع السنجك | أبكر آدم إسماعيل | 06-08-03, 06:24 AM |
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