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Quote: وعقبال العوض اخوك ده يقعدوه في ورشة عمل زي دي عن التسامح مع اليهود
وعقال اخونا الطاهر 2 يلقى ليه ورشة عمل زي دي يقعدوه في ورشة عمل للتصالح
مع غير العروبين وهكذا دواليك...ومحمد سليمان يقعدوه لك للتصالح مع الجلابه
اها يا اختي الغرب ده ما ببنكر افضاله الله يخيلهم لينا الفتحوا عيوننا نشوف الحق ونقوله. |
Quote: العوض بقيت شايفاك تخصص تراجي
بجيك لما القى زمن نشوف الاسكواتش ده قريته سنة كم لانه شكلك مذاكر كويس
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لا أريد بأي حال أن أساهم في حرف هذا البوست عن مضمونه لكن أجدني مضطرا للرد على بعض النقاط.
أولا لا أنكر أبدا ما أضافه لي وجودي خارج السودان... و فخور كذلك بما أضافه وجودي للبلد الذي أقيم به أنا وغيري من المهاجرين خصوصا السودانيين و المسلمين كمجموعتين أنتمي إليهما أضافتا إلى كندا و للفكر الإنساني و للحضارة الكثير. تعلمت الكثير هنا و أنا ممتن لذلك و لكن لن أنسى أن ما وصلته الإنسانية الآن هو تراكم و إرث إنساني ساهمت فيه كأسود و كمسلم. و لن أتعامل معه بدونية و لن آخذ منه ما يتعارض و منظومة القيم التي أؤمن بها. ليس من باب التعالي لكن من باب إثبات الواقع لست في حاجة لورشة عمل لتعلمني كيف أتعامل مع اليهود... تعاملت مع كثير من اليهود بدون أي عقد و لا صورة نمطية مسبقة. و أفرق بين اليهود كأفراد و بين دولة الكيان الصهيوني القائمة على التفريق بين الناس و على الاغتصاب و الظلم.
موضوع تخصصي فيك!!! لن أرد عليه كما تجاهلت من قبل الرد على اتهامك لي بالسعي لاغتيال شخصيتك!!! و ذكرتي أنك تعرفين أسباب هذا السعي!!! إلى أن تتفضلي بذكر شواهدك على هذه الاتهامات ـ المؤلمة لي ـ سأظل أنظر إليها على أنها شواهد لحالة تجعلك تظنين أن حوار الآخرين و اختلافهم معك لا تفسير له إلا الكيد و الترصد. كوني استشهدت بكلامك عن لعب الاسكواتش لا يدل على الترصد فهو كلام كتبتيه هنا و استشهدت به. يعني يا تراجي انت عايزة تقولي انو الشمالية الكرعينا اتشققت في نقل الموية و شغل الحواشات و جات ماتت في الولادة تظل هي الجاني و تراجي اللعبت الاسكواتش هي المهمشة لمجرد الانتماء العرقي لكل واحدة؟
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العوض
متين قلنا انه ده
| Quote: أولا لا أنكر أبدا ما أضافه لي وجودي خارج السودان... |
بيتناقض مع ده:
| Quote: و فخور كذلك بما أضافه وجودي للبلد الذي أقيم به أنا وغيري من المهاجرين خصوصا السودانيين و المسلمين كمجموعتين أنتمي إليهما أضافتا إلى كندا و للفكر الإنساني و للحضارة الكثير |
ومنو قال لك مونه الغرب اضاف لينا معناها ما اضفنا ليه؟؟؟؟؟؟
ضربت المثل باسم كشخ مشارك معنا هنا في النقاش
كما ضربت المثل بنفسي في امثله لم تحدث
ايه يعني؟؟؟؟
وبعدين كلامي معاك كان..معاه وجوه ضاحه يعني بشاغل فيك
عامل زعلان من ديك وصاريها يازول انت حر وانا زاتي زعلانه
انت ناسي كلالمك لكمال عباس وادعائكم انكم ارباب الفهم في بوست خالد كودي؟؟؟؟
بعدين الكلام ده ليس معناه الحرفي اكيد.....
| Quote: يعني يا تراجي انت عايزة تقولي انو الشمالية الكرعينا اتشققت في نقل الموية و شغل الحواشات و جات ماتت في الولادة تظل هي الجاني و تراجي اللعبت الاسكواتش هي المهمشة لمجرد الانتماء العرقي لكل واحدة؟ |
يازول هنالك فرق بين ان تكون مهمش وتكون متبني لقضية المهمشين.
زيما بشاشا مبتني لقضية الزنوجه في السودان وزي ما اي متعلمين ممكن يمثلوا جيوب مختلفه لكنها تظل صغيره بين الجيوب الكبيره الحقيقيه.كوني امرأه وغير مضطهده في اسرتي او اهلي ليس معناها
ان النساء غير مضطهادات.
يازول امشي الله يفتح عليك وخلينا نبعد عن بوست تماضر دي ما نخربه ليها.
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فى هذا الصباح الماطر الجميل ..
حا حكى ليكم عن سوزى ...
سوزى شابة فى العشرينات من عمرها ...جميلة ومشرقة وحية ...
لما الزول يشوفا بيفكر فى حاجات ايجابية زى التفاؤل والشباب والامل والجمال والابداع ...
قدمت نفسها على انها فنانة تشكيلية وجابت معاها لوحة مقسومة لى قسمين ...
اللوحة لى ورده وخلفية باهية ومتفاءلة ...
قالت اللوحة مقسومة لى قسمين "عمدا" ...وبدت تضع اللوحة الاساسية "الوردة" بطرق مختلفة مع الجزء التانى البمثل الخلفية ...
وفى كل مرة كنا بنشوف لوحة جديدة ومغايرة ...
قالت عملتها مخصوص عشان هى بتمثل حال الانسان ...ممكن يظهر بشكل مختلف وبرضو بيظل جميل ...والناس ما ضرورى يكون عندها حكم مسبق عن كيف يكون ..ويقبلو على اشكالو المختلفة ...
ضربت فى عمق سحيق بكلماتها ولوحتها ,,,وسرحت خواطرنا فى الاحكام المسبقة وفى حكاية الشكل الواحد المقبول قصاد كل الاشكال والاحتمالات التانية المرفوضة .....وأترك بقية الخاطرة لمخيلتكم الانتلكشوال ..عشان تفهموا مغزى كلام بت فى عمرها وفى ظروفها بتطرح فلسفة كاملة للانسانية فى لوحة ...
لما كنا قاعدين فى الدايرة الكبيرة وأسميها "دائرة التواصل المنتحب" ...قالت ودموعها تغالب كلماتها:
كنت فى مناسبة فنية وقابلت هشام، هشام قال لى انا متزوج وزوجتى فنانة اسمها سارة فى نيويورك داير اعرفك عليها، انتو فنانات وممكن تعملوا مشاريع مع بعض، بعدها عرفت سارة وسارة عرفتنى على سيرين وشباب تانيين، حسة انا وسيرين و"ابوك" صديقات وهشام برضو، ناس بعتنوا بى وبحبونى، كيف ما أحبهم، وكيف أسمع كلام أهلى البيقولو لي ...بقولو لى ما تثقى فى الناس ديل ديل اعداءنا ..انا ماعارفة أصدق منو ...وانتحبنا جميعا
كانت تجلس فى الكرسى الذى يلينى، احتضنتها وبكيت معها ...وأتتها سيرين وأبوك باكيتان واحتضنها ....وكانت من أجمل الحاضرين ....
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عذرا لم أذكر ميادة بعد ...وميادة هذه هى بنت عضو البورد السيد المحترم الصديق نور الدين منان ...
ميادة يا أصدقائى هى واحدة من كنوزنا الشبابية ...يمكننى أن أرشحها سفيرة للمستقبل ...وقائمة باعمال السلام ...
بنت فصيحة وواضحة الرأى ..شابة جميلة ومهذبة ...لا تخاف قول الحق ...
طيبة المبادىء وواسعة المدارك ...عندما تتحدث يصتنت الجميع ..وعندما نختلف وتنشق الصفوف كانت هى التى تجمع أفئدتنا المحترقة فى حديقة جميلة للفأل والأمل ...كانت تنصحنا، كبارا وصغارا، أن نتجاوز عتبة الألم التى وقفنا فيها طويلا ,ان نحلم بسودان أخضر الجانب ومتفق الرؤى ..كانت تنصحنا كأنها أمنا جميعا وكانت واحدة من أصغرنا ,اكثرنا تفتحا وأوقدنا جذوة نحو الاكتمال ...هى واحدة من الاربعة بنات الشابات اللائى جئن يمثلن ســــــــــــياب ..
ثلاثتها الأخريات هن ...سوزان الفنانة التشكيلية وأبوك الجميلة جمال عارضات الازياء التى لم أتحدث عنها الا لماما ...وسيرين ...ابنتى ...
سأوافيكم بأخبارهن المفرحة ...
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Quote: (عدل بواسطة doma on 06-11-2007, 00:37 ص)
(عدل بواسطة doma on 06-11-2007, 02:06 ص)
(عدل بواسطة doma on 06-11-2007, 02:06 ص)
(عدل بواسطة doma on 06-11-2007, 04:49 ص)
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الفاضلة دومة و الفاضل كمال عباس
اذا كنتو ح تداخلو هنا ،،، برجاء
اضغطا على ايقونة شاهد قبل ان تنشر
صاح انتو ما حتقدرو تعدلو فى النموزج الاصفر البظهر ليكم
للمشاهدة،، لكن تحتو طوالى ح تلقو كتابتكم وتقدرو تعدلوها بمزااااج
العجلة من الشيطان !
ارحموا من فى الارض .. اصلها قافله معانا (وجه محذر بى اصبع فوووق)
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ليتنا نستطيع ان ننقل تلك المصارحة والحوار القاسي الى هنا
أستاذ مصطفى سرى..
الحوار ده ممكن يتم هناك فى بلاد الخواجات وتحت مظلتهم
لذلك يكون صريحا وقاسيا..ومع ذلك مقبولا
ولكن اذا تم هنا سرعان ما تداهمك الاتهامات باذكاء النعرات العرقية وتدمير السلام الاجتماعى
وبالجهوية والعنصرية...فقط لأنك تتحدث بصراحة عن أمور يعرفها الجميع
وواضحة وضوح الشمس.
هذا النوع من الحوار هنا بجيب الهوا..
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Group Memory for
The Sudanese Women’s Forum:
What separates us are the things we do not talk about
October 26-28, 2007
This forum was sponsored by
Sisterhood for Peace: Transforming Sudan
The Sisterhood for Peace is a joint initiative of
My Sister’s Keeper and the Interaction Institute for Social Change
The Sisterhood for Peace is a joint initiative of My Sister’s Keeper and the Interaction Institute for Social Change.
This initiative is supported by Humanity United, a social investment firm committed to bringing an end to slavery and mass
atrocities.
Forum Summary
Purpose
This forum brought together 30 Sudanese women, most of whom are living in the United States,
to enter into dialogue about issues affecting women in the Sudan. Several decades of war in
Sudan have strategically pitted various groups against one another. These conflicts have torn at
the country’s social fabric. Unfortunately, efforts to mobilize women to wage peace have been
fractured along the same fault lines. To ensure justice and inclusive security in Darfur and all
Sudan, women must move beyond the real and imaginary borders that have separated us.
Convening Diaspora active and grassroots women is an essential step in this process.
Accomplishments and Agreements
We were able to raise and discuss many issues that have separated us as women from different
backgrounds and different parts of Sudan. We were able to create an atmosphere for engaging
tough issues and beginning to understand one another’s experiences.
The most important agreement we made was to continue the dialogue about the issues that
were discussed during the forum—both with one another and with others in our families,
communities and networks.
Immediate Next Steps
- Share group memory and photos with all participants
- Follow up conference call in early December
- Establish tools to communicate, share information as a larger group
- Invite all Forum
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Participants:
Participants
Mayada Abdulmannan
Eithar Abutaha
Amal Ali
Amal Allah Gabu
Nada Ali
Sirein Awadalla
Shahinaz Bedri
Yusra Elkhitam
Maryam Elmubarak
Tamador Gibreel
Samira Karrar
Anida Magaya
Amna Malik
Susan Mogga
Laila Mohamed
Khalda Mohieldin
Agnes Oswaha
Diana Okwir
Apal Parek
Zeinab El Sawi
Nour Tabidi
Sisterhood for Peace Core
Strategy Group Members
Sudanese Sisters:
Magda Ahmed
Niemat Ahmedi
Sarra Ali
Apuk Ayuel
Nagat Elmahdi
Zeinab Eyega
Sarah Rial
African American Sisters:
Kim Alleyne
Lee Farrow
Che Madyun
Liz Walker
Facilitators and Project
Staff
Gloria White-Hammond
Cynthia Parker
Kiara Nagel
Geneva Wallace
Melinda Weekes
Ditra Edwards
Molly Kaufman
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Introductions
We began with a welcoming ritual that acknowledges the importance of community and
connectedness for our identities as women. After each person gave her name and where she
was from the group responded with “We see you.” Then she replied “Then I am here.” The
facilitators then explored the idea of ‘listening as an ally’ and practiced listening skills that we
would use throughout the weekend. (See Appendix for details.) After the exercise, we shared
our thoughts.
How does this work in the cultural context of Sudan?
• You may talk differently when talking to a man.
• Sometimes you may need to be not nice, how do you deal with that?
• There is a lot of culture behind listening always. Good listening has eye contact, but in
our culture it is disrespectful to look the person in the eyes so you listen but don’t make
eye contact.
• Men think I’m not listening because I am multi-tasking but women can do that.
• People don’t want to show disrespect or hurt someone when they are communicating.
• Sometimes it’s about patience. Sometimes people do not understand directions from a
doctor or a social worker but they do not speak up or ask questions. There’s the power
of the doctor and white coat. It might be seen as disrespectful to disagree.
• Facilitator comment: These techniques need to be adjusted, depending on who’s using
them. You’ve mentioned the significance of gender, body language, power dynamics,
culture, and social relationships in shaping how you can listen as an ally.
What was it like to listen to your partner and really try to understand her?
• I may have my own ideas about what is right. It’s not just listening for understanding but
also for learning.
• Advocacy is a choice you make from the beginning, you are not listening but arguing.
• Usually we just talking and not listening.
• I think it was hard for the speaker to fill a five minute period.
• I found myself listening but kind of zoning out – it was so hard!
• The topic was of our grandmoms. Sharing jokes and stories was fun, but if we were
talking about politics or something, it would be different. I had control of the subject
because she doesn’t know my family.
• This is why drama is created.
• If you were enjoying it, it is not hard to listen.
• The talking part was easy for me, but the listening part was harder.
• We discovered that we were both from Michigan and both in healthcare so it was easy to
listen.
Ways of Being Together
We spent time talking about how we wanted to be with each other during the forum and what we
hoped to accomplish. In the end, our ideas could be summed by four statements:
• Create an atmosphere where we can be open and honest with one another.
• Challenge ourselves and one another to face difficult issues
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• Work toward unity and a better future
• Carry the message of this Forum with us when we leave:
Below, the details of our conversation are organized around these three statements.
Create an atmosphere where we can be open and honest with one another:
• Listen
• Strategize together
• Be honest with each other
• Share our list of contacts
• Respect each other
• Value each other’s ideas regardless of our differences, building common ground with
one another
• Be critical and challenge each other
• Go deep inside ourselves and face ourselves
• Take responsibility for what happens
• Value you and what you’re taking about
• Unite, no place for racial differences or tribal boundaries
• Try to heal the wounds
• Art can be a tool
• Fresh start, step back from our anger and judgment, no divide and conquer
• Understand and talk honestly about our differences
• Talk about culture of difference and how it affects women
• Learning from African American sisters about addressing difference
• Be open with each other, and be able to say if you trigger me. We can address it and
learn how to deal with each other. Say ‘ouch,’ and look at it so we can learn.
Challenge ourselves and one another to face difficult issues:
• We have to be critical of each other in a way that we are challenging each other.
• The way we were brought up to be different, not know each other or respect each other.
We need to go deep in ourselves and figure out what we need to do, apologize for what
our ancestors have done, take responsibility for what has occurred.
• Evaluation for the past, what kind of loss did we have? And what kind of gains did we
get? Who would have been better of if that had not been gained?
• I like the motto “What is unsaid is what divides us” [a quote by Francis Deng]
• Sudanese women in the Diaspora are suffering from so many things. How to address it
and gather our information, experience, and how we can contribute and assist the
Sudanese women? Also let’s talk about the Sudanese culture, how they are affecting the
women in all regions.
• In Sudan we don’t have the culture of self-criticism but we need to do that work.
• We have to recognize we have a problem, identify the problem, and then begin to move
to solutions to address the problem. Do we acknowledge that we have the issue of
human rights violations?
• We do recognize the problem and we may understand it individually. We can’t just lump
everybody. People are affected in a different way.
• Not to cover up the hurt, these are sensitive. If we don’t create the safe space to uncover
it, it will never heal. If we don’t get to the root of the problem, it will affect the collective in
the future
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• Expect to get hurt. The issue that hurts you is the issue you need to transcend—
individually and as a group.
• What happened takes many years to heal from. It takes a while to fix it.
• Deal with our differences not only as immigrants in this country but how to blend the
issues as women coming from different parts of Sudan.
• Challenges with developing a relationship of understanding. The meaning of Sudan is
different.
• I came here because I needed to learn how to talk to Arab women from the North. I’ve
been in forums and conferences but never like this. It’s like African American sisters with
white women in this country – consistent parallels of situation and the issue of Arab
women, African women, skin color, and systems of power.
• Nobody is talking about the reality within Darfur of colorism (even within families). Right
now, no one is claiming that being an Arab person is good. Everyone with light skin is
called Janjaweed.
• Being in one place is not everything. There is a lot of pain in this room. There is a lot of
stuff we are not talking about. We have to build trust first in this room first and the bring it
out to others.
Work toward unity:
• We need to make sure we are focusing on the collective, on us as Sudanese women.
• We have to actually have a fresh start. We’re so stuck in the past we can’t get over the
animosity and the hurt, step back from our own judgments and start something new.
Respect one another’s identity, each other’s thoughts. Not repeat history.
• We have obligation to unite in order to create one Sudan, there should be no place for
raising differences.
• The North and South divide is false. When people talk about the North, they are talking
about the Central government. When we talk like this—African/Arab, North/South,
East/west –we are reinforcing that divide.
• Try to build together and heal the wounds. The creative perspective is a tool to address
that, using the arts and culture and unifying people from different regions into a multicultural
production group. Art is one of the most important tools.
Carry the message of this Forum with us when we leave:
• After this Forum, to see if we really believe in what we are saying—this unity—and carry
it forward with us.
• Let us have an open dialogue and not end in this room but carry it into the future.
• The women have many connections, our children, our husbands and families, we are
connected. If everyone here takes one thing we talked about here and spreads it to
those in their community—we are 40—if we share ideas we will affect many areas. The
main reason we are here is to build our relationship together, build together,
• Important to take it from here, that there is a conclusion to the Forum. We need to make
strategies of how we can deal with the problems we face.
• How can we do something with the current situation going on in Sudan—the peace
agreement. How can we push the issue here as activists, as peers?
• Share with different generations, especially those who came when they were younger
and don’t understand our culture.
• Build a future. Collect all experiences and ideas, and share with other people who work
for and care about what happens in Sudan. Share with everyone.
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• Put together a solid plan. We need everyone to take a moment to ask ‘What can I
contribute to the situation in Sudan that will help, remove the barriers, and start a
healthier state?’
Exploring our Differences: Cross the Line Exercise
The facilitators led us through an experience to explore some aspects of what it is like to be who
we are and how different parts of our identities affect our experience of being Sudanese.
We were asked to “cross the line” if we identified as members of different groups. Each time, the
women who crossed were asked a series of questions about their experience as part of that
group. We were asked to notice who crossed and who did not cross, who was with us and who
was on the other side of the line; to resist the urge to judge who crossed and who did not cross;
and to notice what we were feeling throughout the exercise. Our answers to the questions about
each aspect of our identities is captured below.
Cross the line if you’re a woman…
• What do you love about being a woman? Femininity
• What’s hard about being a woman? Oppression, subordination, expectations
• What are some of the privileges of being a woman? None; multi-tasking; jewelry
• What could you do to be responsible with those privileges?
• What do you never want to hear said about women again? Shut up; I can’t do something
• What could people who are not women do to be supportive of women? Listen; be
sincere
Cross the line if you’re a mother…
• What do you love about being a mother? The kids
• What’s hard about being a mother? Raising them
• What do you never want to hear said again about being a mother? You can’t do it
• What are some of the privileges of being a mother? Love, freedom
• What could you do to be responsible with those privileges?
• What could people who are not mothers do to be supportive of mothers? Babysit; have
babies.
Cross the line if you are a sister…
• What do you love about being a sister? Love; laughter
• What’s hard about being a sister? The not listen
• What do you never want to hear said again about being a sister? I hate you
• What are some of the privileges of being a sister? support
• What could you do to be responsible with those privileges? Compassion; empathy
• What could people who are not sisters do to be supportive of sisters? be their friend
Cross the line if you are a grandmother or grandaunt…
• What do you love about being a grandmother or grandaunt?
• What’s hard about being a grandmother or grandaunt? Feeling old; don’t remember who
my grand aunt is
• What do you never want to hear said again about being a grandmother or grandaunt?
Old
• What are some of the privileges of being a grandmother or grandaunt? Respect;
freedom
• What could you do to be responsible with those privileges? Give advice
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• What could people who are not a grandmother or grandaunt do to be supportive of
grandmothers or grandaunts? Don’t look down on them; make them feel young
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We started at low risk; now we move into a space that is more challenging. The non-step side is
privileged so when people there speak and break the silence, be aware.
Cross the line if you are Arab…
• What do you love about being Arab? Nothing
• What’s hard about being Arab? People’s looks for the other side as if I’m responsible for
being Arab
• What do you never want to hear said again about being Arab? In my country I feel like
white people
• What are some of the privileges of being Arab? Apologize
• What could you do to be responsible with those privileges? Apologize
• What could people who are not Arab do to be supportive of people who are Arab?
Understand that I have nothing to do with it; I was born like this.
Cross the line if you are African…
• What do you love about being African? Hair; roots
• What’s hard about being African? Discrimination
• What are some of the privileges of being African? Powerful; artistic talent; pressure
• What could you do to be responsible with those privileges? Teach others
• What do you never want to hear said again about being African? Privileged;
underdeveloped; that we are killing ourselves
• What could people who are not African do to be supportive of people who are African?
Broaden their minds; leave us alone; study
Cross the line if you are from the North of Sudan…
• What do you love about being from the North of Sudan? Culture; nothing
• What’s hard about being from the North? Being a woman; history; wrapping up
• What are some of the privileges of being from the North? Education; more facilities
• What could you do to be responsible with those privileges? To address the suffering of
others; understand the complex structures; reach out for other regions and tell them we
are the same; correct those who speak hate when they are around you; not keep silent;
address racism within our communities
• What do you never want to hear said again about being from the North? Arrogant; that
we’re all the same
• What could people who are not from the North do to be supportive of people who are
from the North? Understand that we are victims as well; not all of the North is rich; all
Sudan is suffering, they’re not just by themselves; all women in Sudan are victims;
education us helps us get out of our shell to come outside; try to trust us; don’t allow
ourselves to be victimized; persecution is existing within the North and the people who
are being persecuted speak up again; it’s not a North and South conflict
Cross the line if you are from the East of Sudan…
• What do you love about being from the East of Sudan? Unique culture
• What’s hard about being from the East? Poverty;
• What do you never want to hear said again about being from the East? That they are not
from the North; not African
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• What are some of the privileges of being from the East? Kind hearted; always find big
families there; might be poor but one who has money will bring family together;
supportive families
• What could you do to be responsible with those privileges? Teach others; show how
they made it to that point, because it’s not easy and sometimes people become greedy
and don’t want to share
• What could people who are not from the East do to be supportive of people who are
from the East? Try to know more about the other regions because it is marginal
Cross the line if you are from the South of Sudan…
• What do you love about being from the South of Sudan? African culture; university;
strength
• What’s hard about being from the South? Constantly being reminded about the color of
your skin as a disgrace
• What do you never want to hear said again about being from the South? That we are
servants, backward, uncultured
• What are some of the privileges of being from the South? Freedom; persistence;
determination; not restrictive
• What could you do to be responsible with those privileges? Sharing, accepting others,
opening up; educating self; get to know our fellow Sudanese; use our struggle as a
model and teach that
• What could people who are not from the South do to be supportive of people who are
from the South? Reach out; show greater empathy; walk in our shows; understand our
humanity; not to dismiss the real problem; agree to disagree; respect; accept; apologize,
acknowledge, recognize.
Cross the line if you are from the west of Sudan…
• What do you love about being from the west of Sudan? Proud because the west of the
Sudan
• What’s hard about being from the west? Undermined
• What do you never want to hear said again about being from the west? Just African
• What are some of the privileges of being from the west? Indigenous to the land; know
that it’s your forefather’s land and others want to push you out; discrimination for so long
time
• What could you do to be responsible with those privileges? Common standing with all
Sudanese; rewrite the history of Sudan; open bridges to others
• What could people who are not from the west do to be supportive of people who are
from the west? Recognize; be open minded; power sharing; support
Cross the line if you are from the center of Sudan…
• What do you love about being from the center of Sudan? The government is in the
center; facilities
• What’s hard about being from the center? Not knowing the rest of Sudan; the politics
• What do you never want to hear said again about being from the center? You’re
responsible; all the same
• What are some of the privileges of being from the center? Resources; education; jobs;
better life
• What could you do to be responsible with those privileges? Change the government; not
act like you deserve it; to reach for advocacy and bring about change; be wiling to go out
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the center; to apologize to all of the people and what happened in the South and the
North and the East
• What could people who are not from the center do to be supportive of people who are
from the center? Understanding; hold us accountable; a lot don’t know how good it is to
be
Cross the line if you are Muslim…
• What do you love about being Muslim? Prayers; empowerment; the Koran; the meaning
of peace; the feeling of peacefulness
• What’s hard about being Muslim? Being a women; wearing our veils; wearing scarves in
America; to assume there are only Sunnis and Shiites; being a woman in a family
controlled by a man
• What do you never want to hear said again about being Muslim? Terrorists
• What are some of the privileges of being Muslim? Going to [?]; it’s cross-cultural; you
meet people from different places in the world; Islam can see people as all the same, not
differences of color; universality; second-largest religion.
• What could you do to be responsible with those privileges? Reach out; be responsible;
speak out against the terrorists; the real Islam, the goodness of Islam and not misusing
Islam; teach people how Islam came with a good brotherhood; for clearing out the
terrorists; stand against the terrorists
• What could people who are not Muslim do to be supportive of people who are Muslim?
Know more about it; better understanding; question Muslims; do not assume that all
women are powerless in Islam or that we are against the western world.
Cross the line if you are Christian…
• What do you love about being Christian? Forgiveness; peace; belief in a higher power;
acceptance of everybody no matter what they believe
• What’s hard about being Christian? Forgiveness no matter how hard it is; harder to be a
Christian in America than in Sudan; prejudice
• What do you never want to hear said again about being Christian? Immoral based on
how we dress, live, food we eat; heathen; infidels
• What are some of the privileges of being Christian? Worship together with other people.
everlasting life; loving your brother regardless of [?]
• What could you do to be responsible with those privileges? Love; reach out; be an
example
• What could people who are not Christian do to be supportive of people who are
Christian? Understand their religion; give them a chance; don’t have to be a Christian to
be my brother or sister; stop trying to shift me from my religion
Cross the line if you are part of another faith, philosophy or way of life not mentioned here
today…
• What do you love about being part of that faith, philosophy or way of life? No dogma;
flexibility; inclusive; acceptance ; openness; challenge
• What’s hard about being part of that faith, philosophy or way of life? Explaining it to
people; not being understood; identified as non-religious or a pagan
• What do you never want to hear said again about being part of that faith, philosophy or
way of life? That we don’t believe in God; that dancing is good, not evil; that it’s not real;
that it’s not religious, it’s a belief system
• What are some of the privileges of being part of that faith, philosophy or way of life?
Freedom, openness; creativity; acceptance; not having to go to church
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• What could you do to be responsible with those privileges? Spread the word;
appreciating and being tolerant of other religions
• What could people who are not a part of that faith, philosophy or way of life do to be
supportive of people who are that faith, philosophy or way of life? Try it; accept it; open;
learn more about it; ask me without already having a judgment
More women then joined the group after “a lifestyle” was added to the category. We took a few
minutes to think about the following questions:
• What did you notice about the experience? What happened for you in the crossing
experience? What reactions did you have?
• What was anything that you could have crossed on but didn’t? Why didn’t you?
• What is that you learned or relearned about people from different groups?
• What patterns did you notice?
• If this exercise raised questions for you, note what those questions are.
We closed by going around the circle and sharing our thoughts about these questions and the
exercise.
Identity is fluid. It’s good to confront these differences.
I have big hope. The youth are articulate and are looking at differences.
I’m sad that Darfur is left behind.
I heard many words that are offensive, but I don’t know what they mean. I need to know what
these words are.
The exercise split us into two groups, but not superior/inferior.
I’m proud of [one sister] who didn’t cross to be Muslim or Christian.
I was confused, maybe others were, about whether we were being asked to identify our roots or
where you live. I misunderstood it.
I’m glad to be here.
We have to face our differences and ourself. We have to be honest with ourself and take
responsibility for who you are… you can’t deny who you are.
I feel raw… I have participated in a similar exercise before. Identity is complex and fluid.
Different circles that we could find ourselves in; identity is contextual – sometimes I would refer
to myself as New Sudanese. At other times I would not mention my tribe. I might share with
another woman many attributes, and I might not. It can be uncomfortable as well. One thing
makes me sad. I am the only one from Darfur. There was some misunderstanding from the
questions: where you live vs. some understood it as your roots/your identity. It puts you in facing
yourself and be honest with yourself and take responsibility for what you are. The question of
identity is not easy; you have to take responsibility. In Sudan we are Arab, but here we chose to
be black, African, but we have to take responsibility…It’s like a white woman here who does not
take responsibility. Be honest with yourself. We have to be courageous, honest. Say, I’m Arab,
I’m responsible. It’s so easy to say that you are Sudanese. It’s harder when it comes from these
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divisions. In the U.S. you can live without being pressed about your identity; just admitting your
identity to yourself, but also displaying it to the world who don’t now what it means to be
something, to say it in front of everyone. I felt I had to be responsible for what I [am]. It made me
feel defensive; like I had to explain why I made that decision. It showed me how detrimental,
important the issue of identity is. I never understood how personal identity could be the source
of conflicts, so that it’s not so personal when it’s for everyone to see.
Think abut how we can deal with, remedy this problem with identity. How we can touch it and
face it? Challenging. Exploring. All the attitudes and responses is being honest with each other,
not that we are faking it. It should be honest. It’s interesting to explore what’s going on inside
other sisters. When I look at my sisters I just see her face; courage to spell out what we are
suffering from. When you feel like you’re the only one being misinterpreted, you close the door
that the other person is also having issues; listening to what they are expecting. We are the
children of today, not in the past. We are not in their shoes. To really work together, we need to
speak out; there are things that are under cover, we need to work on trust. The issues are that
we need to identify the problem and the core problem. If not able to value me (African v. Arab);
there is racism going on there. We need to address this if we are going to work together.
When you gave the questions, I was full of rage. What questions will they asked us? At the end I
felt good about touching the untouchable part of my brain and give me a chance to visit it again
in my head. I didn’t cross when it said ‘Who is from the center?’ I am from Khartoum. There are
many things that happened to me there that I don’t want to remember. I received attacks from
the Southerners and was attacked. It’s hard but I am glad we are able to sit and talk about it and
face it.
I never think about coming from the East because I don’t know anything about being there. My
mother was from there. I work with Arabs and I suffer every day. I am not colored like them, so
we suffer identity crisis. From the South, they do not have this identify crisis because they are
not mixed. It [my identity] is an unsolved mystery. They are African; they know who they are.
The separation is region and religion. west and East are Muslim. That’s not a reason not to work
together. It is just diversity.
Before I came here, I thought I would see separation. I’m sick of hearing North and South and
Muslim and Christian. It’s boring a hole in my brain. I thought I would see that division. I was
shocked to see one person say I am Arab. That also teaches me that there is a lot I don’t know
about my own people that I was able to get in this group. It’s hard to not be offended. To be
comfortable with it takes a lot of strength. It’s a cliché: that the N word is a negative thing, but
now it is a positive thing. Words coming from Sudan – nkra; gneke; galaba – don’t know what
they are, but I know they are negative. I need you to tell me so that I can be knowledgeable and
be sensitivity towards somebody else.
The line was dividing us but there were always bridges. They need to be strengthened and
identified. The people who did not cross when we think they should have, these are our bridges.
They understand the harm of being identified in a certain way. I chose to see them as bridges. If
this setting was in Sudan, the women who didn’t cross would have crossed. In light of the
African American experience, these women were lumped as African American and face the
issue of racism. It’s not easy to say “I’m Arab” because now they know what it feels like to be on
the other side. I chose to see it as those are the people who could bridge the two sides; instead
of strengthening them, instead of sanctioning them. Another positive: the one person choosing
to sincerely acknowledge the fact that this happened and that I am a beneficiary; as person who
is wounded by the conflict in our country. It triggers a healing process within me. The
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acknowledgement removes the shackles; it lets me not be judgmental. But let’s understand why
didn’t they cross the other line.
It’s nice to find similarities with people who you didn’t think you had similarities. There was
someone who had sense of integrity to say that this happened. There was a sense of guilt in the
room and what went with it was a sense of denial. If I distance from a certain identity then I will
be less blamed. If people in the room are African, why do we continue to still exercise and
endure racism? We must be aware of the institutional structures of oppression. I have cried a lot
in my life. I have refused to cry and will not this weekend. I have cried enough. I want to laugh!
I was struggling with whether to cross on self-identification or on political expectations. As
Nubians we have been oppressed. As an agent I have benefited on the Arabization in the North
because my other relative who did not live near the center did not have anything of it. For me, if
it’s religious. I was not going to cross unless it was something I defined for myself. I was noticing
[that] there is more diversity that the questions did not bring out. We are more a tribal country
than regional.
I’m not feeling guilty about not crossing the line as Arab. We are talking about it on an ongoing
basis. We decided that we are not Arab, although we speak Arabic. I hope people do not go
with the attitude that we are not Arab and keep it confidential.
I’m not claiming the Arab thing is about losing our history and not knowing it. When we were
colonized by the Egyptian and British, they took the prettiest, the strongest. I identify myself as
Sudanese, as Sudanese Nubian. I know there are faults in my religion—I’m Muslim. I
acknowledge that in the North, South, East people have taken color and religion to oppress
other groups. It’s my responsibility to change the mindset that has divided us for so long. We
cannot assume that it’s North and South. It’s government controlling, trying to be an Arab
country. That’s why I don’t identify myself with that, because I still have my identity; look at
themselves as Sudanese. If we have a new Sudan, we can’t kick them out unless we will still to
be divided.
I realized all the diversity in Sudan. The more we put lines on who we are, that is dividing us. I
want to figure out what we agree on as a woman; I’m a new Sudanese. I should have crossed
that my mother was in Darfur. I should have crossed when it was from the South, but I was born
in Khartoum, but I am still from the South and consider myself there. Even throughout my
organizations, I have worked with Northern Sudanese groups and it was a problem for me,
being a Southern Sudanese who works with Northern groups because that person is considered
a traitor. I went to a conference and was not allowed to enter because I worked with Northern
Sudanese. It is difficult to cross these bridges and we are being open to each other. It will be a
challenge to go back to other women from my communities. It is a challenge and I want to go
back to bring what I’ve learned here to other women I work with. When the Southern Sudanese
women spoke, we are still sad. The Northern women spoke of power, education, privilege.
The exercise looked simple… It made me realize what the problems we are facing and the guilt.
Guilt is something that is good to say – not negative or positive. How can we employ this sense
of guilt as a positive thing? My fellow Northerners shouldn’t be angry. I noticed that my sisters
from the South are well able to protect themselves, tell their stories, show how focused they are
and project themselves. How? Despite all the atrocities and bad thing that people from the
South and west went through, you feel the sense of unity among them. The Northerners are
more divided than people from the South. It made me understand myself and others better. On
religion I had one foot on each side [of the line] and then crossed. I couldn’t identify any
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privileges. I stepped back and felt relieved. This is the first time in front of a group to say I was
raised as a Muslim but I don’t feel it…. Way of life is my thing and not religion. If this game was
played in Sudan, would people cross as Arab? We look at it in a different way. We have been
away from our country for years, and have learned a lot. They say if you want to see a
mountain, you have to step away from it in order to see it. We see these differences because
we are away from Sudan. If I were to go back to Sudan, I would see it differently. I realize how
beneficial the differences are to the big cause. In Central and Northern Sudan, they discriminate
against very light colored and very dark colored. It’s a mentality.
In a college course the professor asked “What are you?”… When I said I was African, man Arab
students stormed out. I didn’t mean to offend… There is an identity crisis. Many things
mentioned here. Also our parents, peer, community, grandparent pressure to identify as Arab. I
should have crossed for the center. I despise Khartoum. I regret it. I denied my father and my
brothers by doing that… I never thought of myself as Darfurian until the problem erupted in
2003. I would say I’m from Africa, then East Africa. I would have crossed the line to self-identify
as Arab if this were done in Sudan. My grandparents are from Darfur but I saw myself as
Sudanese, not Darfuri.
There is oversensitivity regarding the issue. When having breakfast, sisters from the South were
sitting together, sisters from the North sitting together. I didn’t think it was because they know
each other. I wondered will they want me to site with them. I was trying to figure out where do I
sit. This is oversensitivity and we all have it. The only different I thought about in the exercise
was tall/short. [This sister] is so tall and I feel so short. In my job, my boss is trying to hire for
balance, wants to hire someone from the South and from the west. I want to just post the job
and hire someone for it. We’re oversensitive! I liked it when [one sister] hugged. I had wanted to
but I wondered if she would think it was genuine.
I’m tired…at first I thought this was a test… I decided to follow the instructions…I enjoyed
identifying myself as a mother. As a researcher I am trained to be objective. On the questions of
identity I took my emotions out of it and tried to be objective. I identify myself as a Sudanese
and as an African. I speak Arabic and I do some of the culture, but I do not identify with them as
an Arab at all. A lot of Sudanese have this question of identity… We are a very diverse group of
people, globally and locally in Africa itself. We have more than 300 tribes. We cannot stereotype
people. It should be that we have a lot in common as women. We can draw on that. I disagree
with [the sister who spoke about oversensitivity] but I admire your courage in saying that about
ourselves. What I have observed on Sudaneseonline.com is insensitivity. What I’ve learned
about Khartoum culture is [that it is] quite insensitive to others. For us to overcome our
differences we have to learn to respect differences. In this country [United States] we have to
learn about the democratic process that goes on in this country. I learned tolerance in America.
[One sister from the North] sympathized a lot with Southern sisters. There is lesser
representation with women from Darfur.. I feel anger [from another sister] because we haven’t
focused on the plight of women from Darfur or the Nuba Mountains. North and South, we need
to acknowledge Darfur.
We had dinner and enjoyed an evening of cultural expression. Our hosts were:
Boston Youth Organizing Project & HipHopMediaLab at 565 Boylston Street, 2nd Fl, Boston, MA
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هذه الاشارات كانت من نتاج اليوم الاول فى اللقاء الساخن الذى أتحدث عنه....
طبعا بالانجليزى وطويل وعوامل كتيرة حتخليه ما مقروء لمعظم القراء القلقين ...
أتمنى أن يجد بعضكم وقتا وجهدا ورغبة فى ترجمة بعض الملاحظات لو يكن كلها ..وينوبكم ثواب ...
ده غير انه الباس ويرد جديد لنج ...وموضوع نسرين سوركتى ما فتحتو معاكم لسه  ....
ليكم وحشة والله !!!!!
لاحقا أواصل مدكم بأحداث يوم السبت ...ثم الاحد "بالطبع" ههههه
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Elawad
Tragie Mustafa
Tumadir
doma
مريم الطيب
محمد اشرف
دينا خالد
Elbagir Osman
مصطفي سري
AMNA MUKHTAR
فيس بوك
تويتر
انستقرام
يوتيوب
بنتيريست