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 Re: *** The Imperialism of Sudan Northern Arabic Language and Culture *** (Re: Foolish beat)
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Dear Ashraf
I will continue our previous discussion. But before that I will try to summarize the issues we are debating and then carry on to address the points you raised before.
We are basically discussing the issue of multi-cultural and multi-lingual societies at large and paying particular attention to the case in Sudan. We both agree that language is among the very critical components of any cultural arabic, english or nubian. For me I am limiting my discussion to the language part in particular.
You as a liberal person, or so it seems, believe that a multi-lingual and multi-cultural Sudan is the best it should follow to cleanse all the imperialism of the northern arabic langauage and culture. You believe that the other ethnic groups and cultures in Sudan have not been given a fair share in terms of furthering their language and culture.You believe that this an imperialism from the northern arabic sudanese imposing their culture and language on the marginalized masses. Definitely you see a democratic system that will create a multi-cultural or multi-lingual society if the best way to cleanse this imperialism.
On the other hand, I stand strongly against creating a multi-cultural or multi-lingual society in Sudan. I strongly believe the current Sudan (specially based on what have been cited at the beginning of this posting after independence, pls check it one more time) was not built to be a multi-lingual society. In its foundation after independence as it seems was intended to be an arabic country with vast multi-ethnic composition that will eventually assimilate within the larger arabic population. While all governments in Sudan military or democratic did not ban any use of other language no government worked in furthering the development of other languages in Sudan but arabic. This to further my intial point that Sudan was never meant to be a multi-lingual country.
I also strongly believe that multi-lingual/cultural societies are bound to failure for a variety of reasons. I brought the example of Canada versus Quebec as a good example for the impeding declaration of the failure of multi-cultural societies. I also brought the example of Belgium but did not elborate on that. I clearly said that we should learn from such societies not to repeat the same mistakes and we end up again on square zero than square one.
Contrary to what you think, I did not say that multi-culturalism leads to sepearation per se, I am saying that as per the example of Quebec, though the French language is protected by the constitution and the second official language of the country still THAT did not stop the French Canadians from seeking seperation. And contrary to what you think, the seperatist movement is very close to achieving the francophone independent state (less than few thousands votes in 1995). In all cases of their failure they were knocked down by the ethnic vote (predominantly francophone and non-francophone immigrants), a truth that all sides agree to. The latest elections in the country (not sure June or July) has given the seperatist party a wide victory in the federal elections. This of course is a good gauge as to the mood of the Franco phone community to seek seperation. There is something wrong with this model of multi-lingualism here. My question then what would make this community be so eager to seperate though all the right of their language and culture are protected. Why this multi-cultural society struggling to keep itself united? The fear of breaking up is present at everyday life.?? These are genuine questions people who advocate for multi-lingual societies should look into. These days some Sudanese are very much jubilant about painting the rosy pictures of a lovely multi-cultural and multi-ethnic/lingual sudan without the slightest critical thinking of what is good and bad about such scenarios. You are also still to bring few examples where multi-cultural and multilingual societies.
I have always been a jubilant person about one cultural paradigm for Sudan. I strongly believe one arabic culture through out the country is vital for its unity and strength. Such a society is much more efficient and economically vibrant than all the jargon (excuse my French) that a multi-lingual society brings. In a unilingual society we have more attention to solve our social economic problems than pay attention to bilingual or multi-lingual programs. I am against a multi-cultural/lingual Sudanese society. I think such a country will carry the seeds of its demise at birth. As arabic speaking sudanese are a vast number of the population the arabic culture will still stand to be dominant while the smaller cultures, e.g. nubians, or zagawa will find themselves surrounded by seas and oceans of arabic. We will then come back again to square one where the cultural minorities will complain about the dominance of the arabic language. For these reasons I believe other cultures should assimilate in this arabic culture and language. Sounds tooo bossy and disrespectful at other cultures, isn't! How could I advocate for my culture and language to dominate and others to die!! Well here comes what I have been calling for apriori. Seperation among the different ethnic and cultural groups of Sudan. Certainly some groups have no interest in assimilating in a culture they see foreign to them and they have every right to say and do so. Arabic speaking sudanese also have the same token of not joining any country that will demise there language, culture or religion. Ethnic minorities do not have to suffer from the imperialism of dominant inferior cultures to their own, we can all live happily within our own geographic regions and make our cultures live and healthy. And please save me the agony of your Hilteristics labeling, within the same tune as non-arabic sudanese are working to protect and further their cultural heritages I am doing the same.
Quick notes to some pints you raised earlier:
**My declarion of SPLM as being a seperatist movement is not made by me, but by Abel Alair. I will later provide you with the exact quote from another posting
** I do sympathize terribly with those whom you described as "toothless, dispossessed and disempowered starving non-Arabic speaking Sudanese" I am not a heartless man. And add to that , it disturbs me immensly that people of my own are creating such tragedies. But I still do believe that the best for all is to each go his separate way than we stay in this endless cycle of I kill you and you kill me.
I am getting tired man I will stop here and will continue some other time
Thank you
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| *** The Imperialism of Sudan Northern Arabic Language and Culture *** | Foolish beat | 08-30-04, 07:40 AM |
| Re: *** The Imperialism of Sudan Northern Arabic Language and Culture *** | Adil Osman | 08-30-04, 12:01 PM |
| Re: *** The Imperialism of Sudan Northern Arabic Language and Culture *** | zoul"ibn"zoul | 08-30-04, 03:27 PM |
| Re: *** The Imperialism of Sudan Northern Arabic Language and Culture *** | noha_g | 09-01-04, 04:46 PM |
| Re: *** The Imperialism of Sudan Northern Arabic Language and Culture *** | zoul"ibn"zoul | 09-01-04, 04:55 PM |
 Re: *** The Imperialism of Sudan Northern Arabic Language and Culture *** | Ashraf Kamal | 09-01-04, 09:11 PM |
| Re: *** The Imperialism of Sudan Northern Arabic Language and Culture *** | zoul"ibn"zoul | 09-03-04, 07:53 PM |
| Re: *** The Imperialism of Sudan Northern Arabic Language and Culture *** | Ashraf Kamal | 09-06-04, 03:20 AM |
| Re: *** The Imperialism of Sudan Northern Arabic Language and Culture *** | Ashraf Kamal | 09-06-04, 03:55 AM |
| Re: *** The Imperialism of Sudan Northern Arabic Language and Culture *** | zoul"ibn"zoul | 09-06-04, 07:18 PM |
| Re: *** The Imperialism of Sudan Northern Arabic Language and Culture *** | Ashraf Kamal | 09-07-04, 01:33 AM |
| Re: *** The Imperialism of Sudan Northern Arabic Language and Culture *** | noha_g | 09-07-04, 02:45 AM |
| Re: *** The Imperialism of Sudan Northern Arabic Language and Culture *** | Ashraf Kamal | 09-13-04, 01:32 AM |
| Re: *** The Imperialism of Sudan Northern Arabic Language and Culture *** | zoul"ibn"zoul | 09-07-04, 06:06 PM |
| Re: *** The Imperialism of Sudan Northern Arabic Language and Culture *** | Deng | 09-07-04, 06:36 PM |
| Re: *** The Imperialism of Sudan Northern Arabic Language and Culture *** | noha_g | 09-08-04, 09:49 PM |
| Re: *** The Imperialism of Sudan Northern Arabic Language and Culture *** | zoul"ibn"zoul | 09-09-04, 06:32 PM |
| Re: *** The Imperialism of Sudan Northern Arabic Language and Culture *** | noha_g | 09-16-04, 03:01 AM |
| Re: *** The Imperialism of Sudan Northern Arabic Language and Culture *** | zoul"ibn"zoul | 09-12-04, 06:32 AM |
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