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 هل فشل المسلمون فى محاربة التطرف .. قصة مسلم ولد وعاش فى لندن !!!
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This House believes that Muslims are failing to combat extremism
Speaking for the motion
ED HUSAIN
Thank you, Tim. Ladies and gentlemen, I was born and raised in London but at the age of 16 my world changed. At the outset at school I was introduced to literature from people such as Syed Qutb and Maududi and gradually the people I kept company with, the group I hung out with, changed my mind to the extent, based on the literature that I was reading from those individuals and others, that I started to disagree fundamentally with my parents' kind of Islam. My neighbours were increasingly seen in my mind as koffar, the language of the jihad that was put out in those books was the language that I increasingly used myself on college campuses up and down Britain. Several years later, on my own college campus, that rhetoric of unfettered jihad, of looking down at the other as koffar and disliking fellow Muslims, seeing them as several cuts beneath myself, led to a murder on my college campus. It was that murder that changed my mind and led to my leaving extremism and then I travelled the Muslim World. I spent a lot of time in Damascus and later Saudi Arabia. But what worried me was the very literature that had indoctrinated me and the groups that I kept company with were also present here in the Middle East. Hearing Friday sermons at mosques in Mecca, Medina and Jeddah were deeply worrying. When I went back to Britain in 2005, those very books that had radicalised me, those very groups that had damaged my life in my teens and early 20s were still active on university campuses and it worries me today when I sit here in Qatar that is home to a leading scholar who, without any reservations, gives endorsement for suicide bombings, killing of innocent people in the Arab-Israeli conflict. It's that double standard that we apply, it's that disregard for innocent human life that worries me deeply, and I sit here today and implore on you to make sure that at the end of this debate, you vote for the right side and you vote and you be honest with ourselves and say out loud, 'That's enough of burying our ######### in the sand and it's high time that we admitted the nature of the problem and that we Muslims thus far has not done enough to combat extremism.'
TIM SEBASTIAN
Ed Husain, thank you very much indeed. Ever since the major attacks, 9/11, 7/7 in London, Muslims have marched, Muslims have condemned violence, they've issued fatwas. What more do you expect them to do?
ED HUSAIN
From where I sit, I don't see deep, sincere moral outrage. The fact that cleric after cleric ...
TIM SEBASTIAN
They've discussed that time and again, on television, in newspapers, in articles, in letters written by clerics.
ED HUSAIN
Where are the vast demonstrations against the killings in Iraq on a daily basis between Shia and Sunni Muslims? Where are the vast demonstrations against clerics who are issuing fatwas of suicide bombing and thus endorsing the killing of innocent human beings? I don't see those mass protests on our streets. Yes, the odd fatwa here and the odd fatwa there, but that said, I must pay tribute at this point to the good work done by people like Sheikh Ali Juma'a, Sheikh Abdullah bin Bayah, Sheikh Habib Ali Jifri. They're the good guys, but they're the exception. The vast majority of the Muslim street thus far hasn't risen up in the numbers that it should against the moral outrage that we see happening all around us.
TIM SEBASTIAN
But by telling Muslims, 'You have to do more, do more, do more,' this constant refrain proves that you're not terrorists, proves that you don't have links with extremists,' you risk pushing them into a corner, don't you, marginalising them in society?
ED HUSAIN
It's not about doing more. No, it's not about doing more. It's probably about doing less of certain things. The fact that after 9/11 in 2001, there were only about 13,000 madrasses in Pakistan teaching extremist Islam, and now we have 25,000, that tells you a lot. The fact that report after report shows that the vast majority of Muslims don't see a clash between extremism and moderate Islam, that also tells you something. So it's about doing less, I think, rather than doing more.
TIM SEBASTIAN
And aren't you providing the excuse for racial profiling and for marginalising Muslims?
ED HUSAIN
Far from it. I'm on the record as being against all of those things and I don't think it's about racial profiling Muslims.
TIM SEBASTIAN
But some people might say you're scaremongering. There's just a tiny minority of people who are involved in extremist activities.
ED HUSAIN
I wish it were a tiny minority. When I was involved in extremism in the 1990s, there were about 200 of us in Britain. Now the official figures are over 4,000 people that MI5 is looking at today, so the numbers sadly are on the increase and the fact that we've had huge, huge attacks such as 9/11, 7/7, Bali, the conflict in Iraq, just indicates that the problem where it was rhetorical in the 1990s has now become practical and it's become the default, violent culture among people who have grievances based on religion and politics.
TIM SEBASTIAN
All right, Ed Husain, thank you very much indeed. Now let me call please on Daisy Khan to speak against the motion.
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