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What is the difference between Mrs., Ms., Miss., and ma' am?
| 04-14-2013, 06:48 PM |
ombadda
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 What is the difference between Mrs., Ms., Miss., and ma' am?
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Hello all members of the English forum. I have a question and I hope to find its answer here. My question is:
What is the difference between Mrs., Ms., Miss., and ma' am?
By the way I have made a little Google search and returned more confused. Pardon me to mention that I want your answer in your own words not just a copy and paste.
Thanks much in advance.
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| 04-14-2013, 07:13 PM |
ombadda
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| 04-15-2013, 03:49 AM |
جواهر ابراهيم
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| 04-15-2013, 08:15 PM |
ombadda
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| 04-16-2013, 03:25 AM |
جواهر ابراهيم
جواهر ابراهيم
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Re: What is the difference between Mrs., Ms., Miss., and ma' am? (Re: ombadda)
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Salams Dr. Ombadda,
| Quote: People who live in English speaking countries may see it stupid questions. |
I don't think so, because english is a second language for us it's not that big deal to make some mistakes or not knowing some stuff...we can always learn from others around us...no one knows everything. For myself, when it comes to learning or improving my knoweldge, I just go for it no ego attached what so ever...I learned a lot form others even from my kids and still learing...my english is not that perfect.... I didn't know much about those titles till I moved to Canada and start preparing for OSCEs- part of process of getting my medical licence here.
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Pronouncing Ms: trun the"S" to Z slightly---> MZ...and you will be fine
Miss: just like it sounds---> Miss
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Hi----> it's just fine... more warmer if it follows a name.. e.g Hi Sadia,.....etc
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ma'am: yes, as you mentioned same as madam---> you can say madam Sadia but not ma'am Sadia...I know it's a bit confusing...to be safe I would go with madam Sadia (here used mostly by French Canadians)
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Hope others can expalin it better
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sorry for any mistakes in my writting...end of the day when exchusated brain not functioning properly :)
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| 04-16-2013, 09:52 PM |
ombadda
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Re: What is the difference between Mrs., Ms., Miss., and ma' am? (Re: جواهر ابراهيم)
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Dr. Jawahir
I think that everyone live in an English speaking country as a permanent resident is competent in English language. Their whole communication in English whether in work or street or market..etc .
Anyhow, things are now being clarified but still some points need further explanations. I will point it later.
By the way, pleased to know that you are practicing medicine in that country. Really, Sudaneseonline.com forum include great people and I am proud to be here.
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| 04-17-2013, 03:26 AM |
Asma Abdel Halim
 Asma Abdel Halim
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Re: What is the difference between Mrs., Ms., Miss., and ma' am? (Re: ombadda)
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salam Ombadda and Jawahir
Mrs. is falling out of use because it is used to make women drop their family's name and pick up the husband's family name. it was from the days that women were treated as property bought by the husbands, hence the shunning of the title. However, it is still in use. for Sudanese and other Muslim women it is out of the question as we have to adhere to our fathers' names. except in Pakistan that kept the old English tradition, but getting out of it gradually.
unmarried ladies, old or young, go for Miss or Ms. Those who would like to make it perfectly clear that they are not married usually go by Miss.
Ms. is used for all even women who keep their husbands' family names are opting for Ms. now
In the United Stated Madam or Ma'am is used to address senior women ( senior is the "politically correct" title for old people). many women do not like it as it remind us of being old ladies.
on a lighter note
Ms. is trying to fix a mistake she committed a few days or years ago
Miss is an advertisement of availability
Mrs. is I live in a feudal system, no help needed
Ma'am is for don't mess with me I have been there done that.
As Jawahir sair Ma'am is used without being followed by the name
Also Madam unlike Ma'am is used to indicate a woman who is in the business of fixing dates between men and women, as in the "Washington Madam"
(Edited by Asma Abdel Halim on 04-17-2013, 03:27 AM)
(Edited by Asma Abdel Halim on 04-17-2013, 03:30 AM)
(Edited by Asma Abdel Halim on 04-17-2013, 03:35 AM)
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| 04-22-2013, 00:10 AM |
جواهر ابراهيم
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| 04-23-2013, 04:45 PM |
عائشة موسي السعيد
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Re: What is the difference between Mrs., Ms., Miss., and ma' am? (Re: جواهر ابراهيم)
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Dear Ombada and friends,
Sorry not to have interacted earlier as I seem to have a problem posting
to the Board…
However:
Mrs.: is the form used as a title for married women followed by the husband family name or a hyphenated husband and wife family names as she chooses to call herself: (Mrs. Asha M. El Said-Abdel Hai) or (Mrs. Asha Musa El Said) or
(Mrs. Abdel Hai).
Ms. Is used when a woman chooses not to be identified as married or unmarried or we are not sure whether she is married or unmarried:
(Ms. Asha Musa El Said).
Miss. Is used for an unmarried lady, meaning that if she is divorced or widowed, she would still be called Mrs.
Ma’am: is short for Madam; and is used as polite form to address women (like Sir for men) especially at work places and the plural form is Mesdames and has nothing to do with being married or single. The origin of the word is French.
While: Madame, plural form Mesdames, is used for married women and the origin is French.
Mme: (You didn’t ask about this one, but) is short form for Mademoiselle and is the French call for an unmarried lady or a nanny!
All the above is according to my out-of-date knowledge of formal English, unaffected with modern and American ‘jargon’. I stick to RP English or Oxford English as used to be called.
Greetings to All.
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| 04-23-2013, 05:19 PM |
محمد حمزة الحسين
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| 04-25-2013, 12:43 PM |
Asma Abdel Halim
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Re: What is the difference between Mrs., Ms., Miss., and ma' am? (Re: محمد حمزة الحسين)
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Dear Asha:
The good Ole way is always clearer than following the trend, but
Woman! get with the time, be trendy (a line of those ugly smilies).
All aside have you noticed how all of those suffixes are linked to the status of woman according to her relationship to a man?
Thank Goodness for Ms.
A reverse of this condition must be sought. may we please have a Mr. (his mother) or Mr. (his wife) in this day and age,
or should we wait for another 4000 years?
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| 04-25-2013, 12:48 PM |
Asma Abdel Halim
Asma Abdel Halim
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Re: What is the difference between Mrs., Ms., Miss., and ma' am? (Re: Asma Abdel Halim)
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By the way of 4000 years. It is a known fact that the Halfawein (of Halfa) still keep a feature of the old matriarchal Nubian civilization; it is a tradition
of calling each other by mothers' names.
My great teacher Abu Bakr Abuelreesh -my Allah bless his soul- told me that he responds faster to Bakri Shariefa than to Bakri Abuelreesh.
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| 04-25-2013, 07:26 PM |
ombadda
ombadda
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Re: What is the difference between Mrs., Ms., Miss., and ma' am? (Re: Asma Abdel Halim)
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Glad to see such contributions by Asmaa, Aysha, and Jawahir and sorry for delay in replying.
I will come back soon. Till that time please continue the discussion.
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Two points till I come back:
* What about boys and girls?
Do they have titles?
* In resurrection the God call people by the name of their mothers. Like this " Ya Ali ibn Fatima".
in Egypt I note that people call women using the name of their old son, like this " Om Ali" even if Ali has a sister older than him ! and people around that woman may not know her real name forever. They just call her "Om Ali" till her death.
In Sudan people may call a man or a boy using the name of his mother. Like this "Wad
Amna"
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| 04-28-2013, 08:25 AM |
عائشة موسي السعيد
عائشة موسي السعيد
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Re: What is the difference between Mrs., Ms., Miss., and ma' am? (Re: ombadda)
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Dear Asma and Ombadda,
I read Ombadda's question as collection of factual data for a research or so...
Had I realized it was thrown for discussion, my contribution would have been totally
different...You both know I am a Kordofaneia where mothers are queens of the clan!
However, my real view is that real life need no titles even if it is to satisfy the
curiousity of the listeners, not to mention the 'pride'. We are all born just as male or female and, morally, we
should stay so..
As to boys and girls ya Ombadda, according to my logic, should stay just Ali wa Nada..or ya bit and ya walad
or or whatever the vernacular calls them...and to h... with titles...
If a classic or academic interpretation ya Ombadda is needed, we are here when you ' come back soon' for more
homework!
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| 05-08-2013, 07:23 PM |
ombadda
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| 06-02-2013, 07:36 AM |
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