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04-03-2008, 09:28 AM
Osama Mohammed
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Registered: 04-02-2008
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When You Lie and believe it.... e.g. Politicians

    Winston Churchill once said ‘’ Politics is a dirty game’’ I can add confidently ‘’and depends on how much you can lie’’ look at the coming article which was published last Thursday in the Guardian news paper - G2- By Julian Glover:-


    Quote: 'If I had the choice between smoked salmon and tinned salmon I'd have it tinned. With vinegar," Harold Wilson once claimed. He might as well have added that he bathed in coal dust, slept in a bucket and changed his socks once a month. The real Wilson went to Oxford, drank brandy and smoked cigars - but he needed working-class votes.

    Hillary Clinton needs votes too, which is why she has started misremembering her past. First, she claimed to have played a big part in the Northern Ireland peace process, which came as news to David Trimble. This week she described a dramatic arrival in Tuzla during the Balkan wars.

    "I remember landing under sniper fire," she said. "We just ran with our ######### down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."

    All very impressive and just the sort of experience a future president needs. Except that it didn't happen. TV footage shows her strolling off the airplane to be greeted by a small girl and (weirdly) the singer Sheryl Crow.

    At least Clinton made it to Tuzla. Tony Blair once told Des O'Connor that he had been a child stowaway on a flight from Newcastle to the Bahamas - implausible, since the route didn't exist.

    Back in the US, John McCain has been editing his history, too. His autobiography describes the heroic moment he survived an airplane crash in North Vietnam. It omits to mention Mai Van On, the peasant who saved his life by dragging him from the water and driving away an angry mob. Lyndon Johnson always wore the Silver Star he won for bravery in the second world war but he was only in combat for 13 minutes, as an observer. His medal, writes his biographer, was "one of the most undeserved" in history.

    Gordon Brown once tried a New Labour piece of reinvention, declaring that business was in his blood. His mother had even been a company director, "one of a small number of women who were company directors". Except that wasn't really true. "I don't know why Gordon is saying all this. It's all a bit embarrassing. I was not a working director at all," Gordon's mum said when a journalist rang her. She added that his dad had "no time for business" either.

    The moral of that is keep your parents under wraps. It would be nice to say that the wider lesson is don't lie. But most of the time, politicians probably get away with it.



    Link :- http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/27/h...nton.uselections2008
                  

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04-07-2008, 04:15 PM
Klayre Safwan

Registered: 03-07-2005
Total Posts: 19






Re: When You Lie and believe it.... e.g. Politicians (Re: Osama Mohammed)

    More examples of misspeaking/lying!!!!

    Quote: Does 'misspeak' mean lying?

    WHO, WHAT, WHY?
    The Magazine answers...



    Hillary Clinton says she was "misspeaking" when she incorrectly recalled her trip to Bosnia. Is this a euphemism?
    After Donald Rumsfeld's "unknown unknowns", it's time to untangle another piece of US politics-speak. Or should that be misspeak?

    When Hillary Clinton corrected her description of a visit to Bosnia in 1996, she made an interesting choice of words: "I did misspeak the other day."

    Her initial version of events was that her plane landed under fire and she had to duck and run to her vehicle.

    But television footage shows her disembarking with a smile, waving to the crowd and strolling across the tarmac to greet a little girl who read her a poem.

    The word "misspeak" has a long and varied history, says John Simpson, chief editor of the Oxford English Dictionary.
    "It goes back to the Old English period before the Norman Conquest to mean to murmur or grumble.

    "But it's got quite a wide sense of meanings, to speak insultingly or improperly or to speak disparagingly or disrespectfully or to speak evil of. Then in the mid to late Middle Ages, it was to pronounce incorrectly."

    Chaucer used it in the Miller's Tale - "If that I mysspeke or seye" - as meaning to speak insultingly. But nearly all these meanings are mostly obsolete, according to the OED.

    The most common modern sense of "misspeak" is in the US, where it has developed two meanings since the late 19th Century - to speak unclearly or to fail to tell the whole truth, says Mr Simpson. And it crossed the Atlantic in the mid 20th Century.

    Fiona Douglas, a lecturer in English language at the University of Leeds, says the origins of the modern meanings go back to before 1393, when poet John Gower penned Confessio Amantis.

    "The modern senses all have to do with unclear speaking and incorrect or misleading communication.

    "The citations suggest that this 'misspeaking' can be deliberate or unintentional, conscious or unconscious - hence it's quite interesting to speculate exactly what Hillary Clinton's use of the word actually meant."

    Bush gaffe

    US politicians have used it before to correct themselves.


    In 2004, President George W Bush accidentally said: "They [our enemies] never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people - and neither do we."
    White House spokesman Scott McClellan responded by saying: "Even the most straightforward and plain-spoken people misspeak."

    There are also references by Ronald Reagan's staff using it and recently John McCain admitted "misspeaking" after mistakenly saying Iran was arming al-Qaeda.

    It's no accident that politicians have grasped for this phrase, says Cormac McKeown, one of the editors of Collins English Dictionary. They often do so when they don't want to say they told a deliberate untruth.

    "It can mean to fluff one's lines, like an actor would, but it can also mean to speak erroneously or hastily without thinking, without giving it proper thought, so Clinton is relying on this ambiguity between the two meanings because then she can't really be proved wrong.

    "But it's a stretch of the imagination that it was a slip of the tongue because it was quite a long and involved story that went on for about five minutes.
    "So if pressed she might say she was referring to the second meaning but she's hoping the first meaning carries through in people's minds."

    Choosing this word is a terrible mistake, says lexicographer Tony Thorne.

    Soundbite

    "She's in danger of doing what Bill Clinton did in redefining sexual relations.

    "She's redefining telling the truth because 'misspeaking' is a euphemism for not telling the truth. It's the language of bamboozling, which US politicians and the US military love and get away with."

    The word does fill a lexical gap, says Mr Thorne, because alternative ways of saying it are so long-winded, like "I made a mistake, I got it wrong" or "I used the wrong word", but don't expect to hear it in the streets any time soon.

    "She's chosen a short, sharp soundbite word but like 'known unknown' it will probably only be used ironically or mockingly."

    Story from BBC NEWS:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/magazine/7314726.stm

    Published: 2008/03/26 15:08:56 GMT

    © BBC MMVIII
                  

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04-08-2008, 11:11 PM
Osama Mohammed
<aOsama Mohammed
Registered: 04-02-2008
Total Posts: 4205






Re: When You Lie and believe it.... e.g. Politicians (Re: Klayre Safwan)

    Quote: In 2004, President George W Bush accidentally said: "They [our enemies] never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people - and neither do we."



    I think it is v. true......
                  

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