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Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 (Re: Muna Khugali)

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    http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-op-rieff20-2008jul20,0,7870043.story


    From the Los Angeles Times
    For Darfuris, justice is the enemy of peace
    A war crimes trial for Sudan's leader would be gratifying. But is it
    worth the price?
    By David Rieff
    Quote: July 20, 2008

    The long-awaited decision by the chief prosecutor of the International
    Criminal Court, Luis Moreno-Ocampo, to indict Sudanese President Omar
    Hassan Ahmed Bashir on genocide and war crimes charges has been greeted
    with relief and satisfaction by the vast majority of people haunted by
    the tragedy of Darfur.

    For Darfur activists -- and no African cause since the movement against
    apartheid in South Africa has had such reach or influence -- Bashir is
    the architect of what they are certain has been a genocide just as
    surely as Adolf Hitler was the architect of the Holocaust. And if this
    is true, they argue, it would be immoral not to try to bring Bashir and
    other central figures in the Khartoum dictatorship to justice. Some of
    these campaigners argue that the indictment represents the first
    significant step toward an effective regime of international justice in
    which world leaders guilty of crimes against humanity will no longer
    enjoy the kind of impunity that they have had in the past.

    Attractive as these arguments are, and counterintuitive as it may seem
    to oppose them, they are nonetheless deeply flawed. To begin with, the
    bedrock assumption of those committed to the concept of international
    justice represented by the International Criminal Court is that peace
    and justice are almost always compatible goals -- and that, on the rare
    occasions when they are not, justice should have priority.

    But in reality, there is no reason to believe this is true. Indeed, the
    example of post-apartheid South Africa illustrates this perfectly. Real
    justice would have demanded that the leaders of the white racist regime
    pay for their crimes; peace, on the other hand, demanded an
    accommodation. The moral genius of the African National Congress was to
    understand that peace was what the newly liberated country needed, not
    civil war, and so instead of trials there was a Truth and
    Reconciliation Commission in which, in exchange for confessions, the
    authors of the horrors of apartheid were effectively let off scot-free.

    There is also the example of post-Pinochet Chile. Few observers of that
    country seriously believe that Gen. Augusto Pinochet would have stepped
    down in 1990 if he had believed that he would be required to face a war
    crimes tribunal, or that the Chilean military would have agreed to the
    return to democracy. Patricio Aylwin, the president of Chile during the
    transition, made the bargain all but transparent when he remarked, "We
    will tackle the excesses of the past," adding, "within the realm of the
    possible." Like the ANC, Aylwin understood that justice cannot and
    should not always be the first priority, much as one might wish it
    otherwise.

    Those who have welcomed the indictment of Bashir set a great deal of
    store on the importance of memory and of truth, but it sometimes seems
    as though it is they who have forgotten these hard lessons of the
    recent past, in which it became clear that the sensible course was to
    acknowledge that peace was more important than justice when it came
    time to choose.

    Would it be emotionally satisfying to see Bashir in the dock? Of course
    it would. After all, most of us who believe that this indictment is a
    tragic mistake also believe that, under settled international law, the
    Sudanese president is guilty of crimes against humanity (whether Darfur
    is a genocide is a separate issue, but even if it is not, as groups
    like Doctors Without Borders have argued, the crimes against humanity
    committed at Bashir's behest are more than bad enough). At least
    200,000 people have been killed in the Darfur conflict, according to
    most estimates, and most of those deaths have been attributed to
    militias unleashed by Bashir's government to quell the insurrection.

    But the question remains: Is Bashir's indictment worth it or, to put
    the matter even more starkly, is the price that the Darfuris almost
    certainly will pay for this indictment (if the International Criminal
    Court's judges allow it to go forward) really worth it? After all, it
    is not as though the ICC has an army or even a police force that can go
    to Khartoum and seize him. Indeed, even the use of phrases like
    "bringing Bashir to justice" raises the question of who is actually
    going to do this. Yes, if Bashir decides to take a trip to a European
    Union country, he would probably be arrested and turned over to the
    ICC, but that seems extraordinarily unlikely at this point.

    No matter how many times advocates of the new norms of international
    law claim otherwise, and insist that there has been a sea change in the
    extraordinarily disparate group they call the "international community"
    (even though presumably the term encompasses both Canada, where the ICC
    got its start, and China, Sudan's great ally), the reality is that it
    is virtually inconceivable that Bashir will actually be apprehended and
    put on trial. To believe differently is to vastly overestimate how much
    has changed in the world.

    One thing that has not changed is that there are really only two viable
    ways to end a war. The first involves total victory a la World War II;
    the second involves a negotiated settlement. Were those who welcome the
    Bashir indictment to also state firmly that they favor the first option
    -- that just as nothing short of Hitler's and Tojo's fall would do, so
    only the fall of the Khartoum dictatorship is an acceptable outcome --
    that would be one thing. But with a few honorable exceptions, notably
    one of the leading Darfur campaigners, Smith College professor Eric
    Reeves, few have been willing to do so. And if all-out regime change is
    not the goal, then to secure a peace in Darfur means negotiating with
    Bashir rather than fantasizing about arresting, trying and imprisoning
    him.

    The truth is that "we" -- whether that amorphous word refers to the
    United Nations, the U.S., NATO or the African Union -- are not going to
    wage that kind of war on Sudan. And because we are not, why is there so
    much satisfaction at the prospect of making these negotiations more
    difficult, as even some of the Darfur activists themselves concede the
    ICC indictment may have done? A harsh question: Is this about helping
    bring peace to Darfur or is it about furthering a political vision of
    the world, one based on human rights as the categorical political and,
    above all, moral imperative no matter what the real-world consequences?

    The human rights triumphalism that has accompanied the indictment also
    perpetuates some dangerous over-simplifications about what is going on
    in Darfur at this moment.

    In 2004, it was still possible to describe the conflict as a murderous
    campaign by the government of Sudan and its janjaweed surrogates
    against the Darfuris. In 2008, the conflict has morphed into a war of
    all against all, with Darfuri rebel groups fighting each other and
    schisms opening between groups loyal to Khartoum.

    This reality may not fit the morality play that Western "human
    rightsists" want to believe is unfolding, but it is the core of the
    matter nonetheless. Doubtless, Bashir is part of the problem; he is in
    no sense all of it.

    In fairness, there is a valid argument to be made that the peace
    process in Darfur is stymied and that those who favor peace over
    justice will end up getting neither. Perhaps. But surely it would make
    more sense to try to restart negotiations in a serious way with Bashir
    and his government than to indulge in "Count of Monte Cristo"-like
    fantasies of the wicked getting their comeuppance. Things do not work
    that way in our fallen world, and it is pure self-indulgence to act as
    if they did
    .

    David Rieff is the author of many books, including "At the Point of a
    Gun: Democratic Dreams and Armed Intervention" and "A Bed for the
    Night: Humanitarianism in Crisis."



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  Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-01-08, 07:05 PM
    Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 رأفت ميلاد 04-01-08, 07:32 PM
      Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-01-08, 07:52 PM
    Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-01-08, 07:35 PM
      Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 محمد عبد الماجد الصايم04-01-08, 07:58 PM
        Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 محي الدين جبريل04-01-08, 08:30 PM
          Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-02-08, 04:37 PM
        Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Mohamed Idris04-01-08, 08:33 PM
          Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-02-08, 08:10 PM
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              Re: Re:( أريتني لو لسه في الخرطوم!) Muna Khugali03-17-09, 12:45 PM
        Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-01-08, 08:44 PM
          Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 محمد عبد الماجد الصايم04-01-08, 08:49 PM
            Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-01-08, 09:28 PM
          Re: نحن والخرطوم.. Muna Khugali04-24-09, 05:26 PM
  Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 osman righeem04-02-08, 05:35 AM
    Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-02-08, 09:34 AM
      Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 lana mahdi04-02-08, 10:24 AM
        Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-02-08, 11:06 AM
  Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 sama704-02-08, 10:36 AM
    Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-02-08, 03:01 PM
  Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 العوض المسلمي04-02-08, 10:40 AM
    Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-02-08, 12:55 PM
      Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 العوض المسلمي04-02-08, 03:14 PM
        Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-03-08, 10:00 PM
          Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 العوض المسلمي04-05-08, 11:04 AM
  Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 osman righeem04-02-08, 12:51 PM
    Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-02-08, 03:48 PM
  Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Shams eldin Alsanosi04-02-08, 01:29 PM
    Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Mohamed Abdelgaleel04-02-08, 01:59 PM
      Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 هاشم أحمد خلف الله04-02-08, 03:33 PM
        Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-03-08, 10:46 PM
      Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 إسحاق بله الأمين04-02-08, 03:53 PM
        Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 عمران حسن صالح04-02-08, 04:07 PM
          Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-04-08, 02:46 PM
        Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 ممدوح أبارو04-02-08, 04:08 PM
          Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-05-08, 00:15 AM
        Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-04-08, 09:14 AM
      Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-03-08, 10:00 AM
    Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-02-08, 10:16 PM
      Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 سناء عبد السيد04-03-08, 00:09 AM
        Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-05-08, 03:33 PM
    Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 الطيب شيقوق01-02-09, 07:58 PM
  Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 مازن الجمّال04-02-08, 04:24 PM
    Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Mohamed Abdelgaleel04-03-08, 10:52 AM
      Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-09-08, 12:13 PM
        Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-10-08, 05:46 PM
    Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-06-08, 11:14 PM
  Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 osman righeem04-04-08, 01:02 PM
  Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 osman righeem04-05-08, 10:44 AM
    Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 ممدوح أبارو04-05-08, 12:51 PM
      Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-07-08, 12:23 PM
    Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-07-08, 02:52 PM
  Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 osman righeem04-05-08, 08:02 PM
    Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-07-08, 03:09 PM
  Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Mohamed Omer04-06-08, 02:17 AM
  Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Mohamed Omer04-06-08, 02:23 AM
    Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-07-08, 03:24 PM
  Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Mohamed Omer04-06-08, 02:38 PM
    Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 إسحاق بله الأمين04-07-08, 04:06 PM
      Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-07-08, 08:40 PM
        Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-08-08, 05:30 PM
        Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-08-08, 10:13 PM
          Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-08-08, 10:36 PM
            Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-09-08, 12:37 PM
              Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 غادة عبدالعزيز خالد04-09-08, 12:41 PM
                Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-09-08, 01:03 PM
                  Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 غادة عبدالعزيز خالد04-09-08, 01:14 PM
                    Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 إسحاق بله الأمين04-09-08, 02:44 PM
                      Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-09-08, 03:04 PM
                        Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 إسحاق بله الأمين04-09-08, 04:20 PM
                          Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-09-08, 10:59 PM
                    Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-09-08, 11:14 PM
  Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Mohamed Omer04-10-08, 00:51 AM
    Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 إسحاق بله الأمين04-10-08, 01:46 PM
      Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 عصام عبد الحفيظ04-10-08, 02:35 PM
        Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-11-08, 09:47 AM
    Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-11-08, 00:10 AM
    Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-11-08, 02:01 PM
  Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 haroon diyab04-11-08, 00:22 AM
    Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-11-08, 11:00 AM
    Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-12-08, 11:26 AM
  Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Mohamed Omer04-11-08, 03:18 PM
    Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-11-08, 07:41 PM
  Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 osman righeem04-12-08, 06:54 AM
    Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-12-08, 09:52 PM
      Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muhammad Elamin04-12-08, 11:05 PM
        Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-13-08, 05:08 AM
          Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-14-08, 02:21 AM
            Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 عماد محمود علي04-14-08, 07:50 AM
              Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-14-08, 03:05 PM
        Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-14-08, 07:34 PM
          Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-15-08, 12:49 PM
            Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-15-08, 03:04 PM
            Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 إسحاق بله الأمين04-15-08, 04:08 PM
              Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-15-08, 10:05 PM
                Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Mohamed Abdelgaleel04-16-08, 07:59 AM
                  Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-16-08, 08:08 PM
  Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 انعام حيمورة04-17-08, 00:43 AM
    Re: لحظه من فضلك..4 Muna Khugali04-17-08, 10:41 AM


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