Hatim
Does economy affects speech dynamics؟ in another words, Do poor societies tend to have a fast tempo utterance؟
Dominik Bousquet
Languages don't change as quickly as economical situations do. For Instance, Americans didn't start speaking twice as fast as they used to betwenn 1.09.1929 and 1.11.1929. Languages tend to change very slowly through history, and so does the utterance tempo. Some french scientists have prouved that languages with a fast utterance tempo, like spanish, are phoneticaly faster than slow languages, but as fast as them semanticaly speaking (
...). Those scientists say that all languages are exacly the same speed (semanticaly speaking). But I don't think this study is very good, and you may be right in some way. You should do a comparision study smile emoticon (but consider how fast an american can speak)
Hatim
Hi Interesting enough, I noticed that in rural areas in my country one cannot even catch words.
I believe this is because of hard life they experience, not a scientific opinion though.
Ramesh Krishnamurthy
stereotypically, surely rural populations (usually poorer than urban populations) are described as speaking more slowly؟ in situations where 'time is money', people will speak faster؟ cf longer vowel length in Texas than in New York, or in Somerset/Devon than in London؟
Hatim
Well, the same applies for rural population where the situation will rather be (how long time to join much easier life in big cities؟)
Ramesh Krishnamurthy
Ramesh Krishnamurthy sorry, i don't understand... urgency of *desire* in a slow-paced environment may not affect speech in the same way as urgency of *need/interaction* in a faster-paced environment؟
Dominik Bousquet
Why would a hard life or a bad economical situation change the way you speak ؟ The homeless people in my city actually speak much slowlier than I do or my teachers do (for instance). Maybe you should take stress rather than wealth as a factor for fast utterance tempo. And maybe poor people tend to be a little more stressed than others (due to their bad economical situation). But consider a business man : lot of stress (and fast speaking ؟).
Ramesh Krishnamurthy
@Dominik - homeless people speak more slowly؟ if you agree that homeless people are poor, then this is exactly what i said... but then you confused me: take stress rather than wealth...poor people are more stressed... so business people - lot of stress - speak faster؟
Dominik Bousquet
Homeless people in my city aren't stressed at all : in France, they all get 450€ per month (automaticaly, since french people consider everyone has the right to have money), and they choose to live the way they live and they fell happy about that. It's a lifechoice. But I said maybe poor people TEND to be a little more stressed as others, in general. Wealth is not the only factor that increase stress, but it is one of them I think.
Ramesh Krishnamurthy
mmm... i'm glad you have got to know all the homeless people in your city so well... and even more pleased to hear that they have told you that they all chose their lifestyle and are very happy with it... ...but this discussion was originally about speech rates, and i think we are wandering further away from that discussion...؟ the *process of acquiring wealth* may be stressful... but i can't imagine that the wealthiest people in the world deserve my sympathy for their stress levels more than the poorest people in the world... i certainly speak faster when stressed (and probably when drunk, to introduce another factor)... ... but i don't think i am at all 'wealthy' by UK standards...
Dominik Bousquet
The discussion is about factor that could increase or decrease speech speed. The fact is : some people speak faster than others do, in a same language. We are looking for factors, and I think wealth isn't a very good one (since some poor people speak slow and some rich people speak fast), but stress may be a good factor (under many many others). But stress is a complicated thing : how can we say someone is more stressed than someone else ؟ It's hard to say. And I think wealth is a factor than could increase stress level, but not infer the speech speed directly. Don't you agree ؟ As other factors could be : dialectal specificities (french speaking people from Marseilles speak averagely faster than people from Belgium), tiredness (wenn it's 1pm / 4am), external disturbance (loud surrounding etc.), subject spoken (trying to explain a philosophical concept / talking about weather etc.), and many others I guess.
Hatim
Hi people, we can on arguing about this for so long referring to special cases, I wonder if there any comparative study on this subject؟
Dominik Bousquet
Here's a little list of factors (end of the article) :
http://sixminutes.dlugan.com/speaking-rate/
Now you could see how those factors affect rich people and poor people, comparatively, because of their economical situation, an you'd get your answer
Ramesh Krishnamurthy
i reiterate my original point: i think that *in general* #1 rural communities, with slower pace of life, have a matching slower speech rate... urban communities, with faster pace of life, have faster speech rate... #2 rural communities are generally poorer than urban communities .. #3 but i think the rural/urban setting is the primary factor, not their economic status
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