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Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ (Re: ودقاسم)

    Dear Turas and the other contributors,
    I think this issue would be a bit small regard to the Islam other problems if we have to be frank with more courage. I think what is the Moslem used to say whenever they open a deep discussion about the Islam; is that the Quran and automatically Islam is valid to all the times, that means 21 century and the 20th millennium. This ultimately is not true theoretically and practically; theoretically there is no ultimate and absolute over this earth if it is about a scientific truth and if we are talking about the social truths it could be working though the believes of many, but that doesn't mean give the social truth right to be true and just true even not a absolute according to Mohamed Arkoon, bearing in mind that any thing related to religion is a matter of believe and the believe is not more than an opinion reflects the set up of the ideas for the one who believes.
    On the other hand we hear people repeat like any birds that the ISLAM is valid to any time; tell me how? if still there is constant fact that if you want to be a Moslem you have to be an Arabian in the way your mind works at least to understand many things; they still consider that Quran is only in Arabic and if it is translated in English this just a translation that is not holly one , because it is not in Arabic, once I have written in this board that; the Islam is not and would not be a civilized religion that can address the whole mankind unless it get rid off the Arabian culture so that it can address every body with its general concepts like tolerance as example.
    Having said that then what are all the contributors is a bout would be the symptoms of the problem, which could be identified in the mentality, and the way that Moslems think.
    I believe that the whole Quran and not only chapters is talking about a certain historical eras the Arab elements with its culture had the major role in them. So to build such historical consciousness to be developed in social consensus this would be the challenging part, and that needs courage to face the fact a way from the idea of I have a paved way to hell because I start touch what is considered as unthinkable, this an individual chemical process that need to take place inside every one before it goes to public, I also believe that many people always have the problem of asking the tough question because they are not ready to make their mind up and they are not ready to tolerate the new conclusions that might come up out of this process.
    Therefore my friends this just the new beginning even though the Islamic history is full of such thing starting by the Motizalla, Alhalaj, Ibn Rushd, Hussien Morwa, Faraj Fuda, Salman Rushi, Nafisa Sadig, Tesnima Nassar, Nasr Hamid Abuzied Mahmoud Mohamed Taha, this would not stop simply because there is a daily need for the change to take place, these societies are not stagnant, they are moving and they have new realities that present a new situations that is impossible to be dealt with by the way that Spanish writer or any other traditional, fundamental, extremist zealous are presenting for these societies now a days; they have the choice to come to our current time instead of attempting to take us back to the Arabian ancient holly eras.
    Last thing that I still can not understand; are two things in the way that the traditional mentality works; represented by Romanna and Elzoma in this post; whenever people start discussion and they felt that their stand is weak and they have no even the twisted logic to discuss; they bring their well known mechanisms 1/ the conspiracy theory and they cry that the Jew are behind this; another mechanism is that the Western civilization is declining and they have the high rate of divorces and they have high rates of betrays between the husbands and they have the highest rates of violence against the woman and the kids, simply these societies have their own conditions and they have developed through long historical process to have the current situations and they are preparing them selves to meet their new social obligations . They even have the place to raise up the kids if the parents are not qualified to do that; tell me what do you have in what is so called the Islamic countries; due to the ignorance and the absence of the democracy and the transparency, there is no any completed scientific study about the prostitution, divorce rates, the family violence. When you hear them criticizing the Western societies as if they know it you think they have the perfect societies in their dreamed world and this one of the problems that the Arabian mentalities always have; dealing with the possibilities as final truths; according to Dr. Aljabri ( www.aljabriabed.com)
    I think this could be an outstanding approach for discussing and analyzing what is so considered as unthinkable. Do you believe that the Government of Sudan has closed the only Refuge for the illegitimate sons Alamal, one may say there is no such phenomenon in Sudan even though it is every where in this world.
    Let us make it the thinking revolution and you need to be armed against the terrorism against thinking; this one of the ancient terrorism shapes.

    Love
    Bakry
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كيف نضرب النساء ؟ تراث14-07-03, 02:01 PM
  Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ Tumadir14-07-03, 02:06 PM
  Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ Shinteer14-07-03, 02:29 PM
    Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ shiry14-07-03, 02:36 PM
      Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ ابو جهينة14-07-03, 03:10 PM
  Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ ahmed akasha14-07-03, 03:17 PM
  Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ elsharief14-07-03, 03:48 PM
    Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ زوربا14-07-03, 09:07 PM
      Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ تراث14-07-03, 10:29 PM
        Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ أبو ساندرا15-07-03, 10:03 AM
          Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ ابوحراز15-07-03, 10:20 AM
  Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ Yasir Elsharif15-07-03, 10:20 AM
    Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ rummana15-07-03, 10:27 AM
  Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ اسامة الخاتم15-07-03, 10:28 AM
    Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ sudania200015-07-03, 03:01 PM
      Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ KANDAKE16-07-03, 02:05 AM
  Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ Agab Alfaya16-07-03, 06:31 AM
    Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ rummana16-07-03, 12:27 PM
  Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ Roada16-07-03, 07:50 PM
    Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ rummana16-07-03, 11:11 PM
  Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ Roada16-07-03, 11:57 PM
  Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ عشة بت فاطنة17-07-03, 00:53 AM
    Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ تراث20-07-03, 11:35 PM
      Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ rummana21-07-03, 09:05 AM
  Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ ودقاسم21-07-03, 10:31 AM
    Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ الزومـــــــه21-07-03, 11:11 AM
      Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ DEEK_ALJIN21-07-03, 11:50 AM
        Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ أبو ساندرا21-07-03, 12:23 PM
          Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ rummana21-07-03, 02:00 PM
            Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ HAMZA SULIMAN21-07-03, 03:30 PM
            Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ ودقاسم21-07-03, 03:48 PM
              Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ Bakry Eljack22-07-03, 04:47 PM
                Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ Abdel Aati22-07-03, 05:48 PM
                  Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ rummana22-07-03, 10:15 PM
                    Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ Abdel Aati22-07-03, 10:50 PM
                      Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ msd22-07-03, 11:29 PM
                        Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ تراث11-08-03, 00:14 AM
  Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ zumrawi11-08-03, 02:04 AM
    Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ تراث12-08-03, 00:05 AM
      Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ rummana12-08-03, 11:32 AM
  Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ Sakotaweya12-08-03, 03:16 AM
    Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ امبدويات12-08-03, 06:58 AM
  Re: كيف نضرب النساء ؟ alsngaq12-08-03, 11:57 AM


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