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 Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists (Re: doma)
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سأحاول المواصلة في الردود بالترتيب بس في نقطتين حابي أعلق عليهم في كلام أختي دوما الأخير. الأولى وصفي بمثقف شمالي... أنا والله (بحليفتها عشان مافي زول يفتكرني بقول الكلام دا من باب التواضع) ما بعتبر نفسي مثقف و لا حتى مجرد قارئ عادي. و نقاشي في القضايا دي ممكن يتصنف بس على أساس إنه كلام زول مهتم و خواطر بحب أعبر عنها. بس حبيت أركز على الكلام دا عشان عارف نفسي ما بملك الأدوات الكافية للتعبير عن القضية البدافع عنها و كل عجز في هذه الناحية يحسب علي شخصيا كإنسان مقصر في تثقيف نفسه و تأهليها لا على القضية التي يتم الترافع عنها.
النقطة الثانية قول الأخت دوما إنني أدعو إلى دولة دينية و هذا كلام غير دقيق و يعتمد على تعريف الدولة الدينية. إذا كان المقصود بالدولة الدينية حكم رجال الدين (هذا المفهوم غير معترف به أصلا في الإسلام) أو قدسية من يحكم و الأحكام التي يخرج بها و عدم خضوعها للنقد فهذا ليس ما أدعو إليه. مفهوم الدولة الدينية غير موجود أصلا في الإسلام. المشكلة أننا نحاول إسقاط تجربة الحضارة الغربية مع الكنيسة على واقعنا و هذا الإسقاط غير منصف لأن لنا تجربة مختلفة و واقع مختلف. كل ما أتحدث عنه هو وجوب خضوع المسلمين لأحكام دينهم كجزء لا يتجزأ من إيمانهم و إسلامهم. و أن هذا الإيمان و الإسلام لا يكتمل بغير هذا و أن الذين يحاولون إقناع المسلمين بأن دينهم يكتمل في ظل نظام علماني مخطئون.
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| Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-24-10, 10:39 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-24-10, 11:14 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-24-10, 11:22 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 10-01-10, 04:23 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Deng | 09-24-10, 11:18 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-24-10, 11:29 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-24-10, 11:35 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Zakaria Joseph | 09-24-10, 03:04 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Elawad | 09-24-10, 03:58 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Zakaria Joseph | 09-24-10, 04:35 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Elawad | 09-24-10, 04:39 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | jini | 09-24-10, 04:47 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | كمال عباس | 09-24-10, 05:10 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | كمال عباس | 09-24-10, 05:22 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | كمال عباس | 09-24-10, 05:24 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Elawad | 09-24-10, 06:02 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Zakaria Joseph | 09-24-10, 06:28 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-24-10, 10:08 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | صديق الموج | 09-24-10, 06:20 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Kostawi | 09-24-10, 06:23 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | كمال عباس | 09-24-10, 06:33 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Abdalla aidros | 09-24-10, 07:59 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-24-10, 08:50 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-24-10, 09:08 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Elawad | 09-24-10, 10:23 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-24-10, 09:29 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-24-10, 09:39 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Kostawi | 09-24-10, 10:52 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-25-10, 02:35 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-25-10, 02:37 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-25-10, 02:44 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | كمال عباس | 09-25-10, 03:34 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-25-10, 07:29 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Abdalla aidros | 09-25-10, 07:57 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | كمال عباس | 09-25-10, 03:25 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Elawad | 09-25-10, 04:58 PM |
 Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Mohamed Elgadi | 09-26-10, 00:32 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | MAHJOOP ALI | 09-26-10, 01:21 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-26-10, 01:37 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-26-10, 01:39 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Zakaria Joseph | 09-27-10, 03:43 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Elawad | 09-27-10, 05:55 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Elawad | 09-28-10, 03:08 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | ثروت سوار الدهب | 09-28-10, 05:01 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Sabri Elshareef | 09-28-10, 05:32 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | ثروت سوار الدهب | 09-28-10, 05:47 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | ثروت سوار الدهب | 09-28-10, 05:54 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-28-10, 06:09 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-28-10, 06:37 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Elawad | 09-28-10, 05:17 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-29-10, 06:37 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-29-10, 06:38 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Elawad | 09-29-10, 05:16 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Elawad | 09-29-10, 05:27 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | bakri abdalla | 09-29-10, 08:23 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | ثروت سوار الدهب | 09-29-10, 08:47 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Elawad | 09-29-10, 09:32 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-30-10, 02:16 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Elawad | 09-30-10, 02:55 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Elawad | 09-30-10, 06:29 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 10-01-10, 03:06 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Sabri Elshareef | 10-29-10, 02:56 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 10-01-10, 02:18 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | كمال عباس | 10-01-10, 02:49 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 10-01-10, 03:24 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | معاوية عبيد الصائم | 10-01-10, 02:50 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | كمال عباس | 10-01-10, 04:10 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | ثروت سوار الدهب | 10-01-10, 04:39 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 10-01-10, 06:33 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 10-01-10, 06:39 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 10-01-10, 04:43 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | ثروت سوار الدهب | 10-01-10, 05:33 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Abdel Aati | 10-01-10, 09:46 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | ثروت سوار الدهب | 10-06-10, 04:08 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 10-06-10, 05:47 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | ثروت سوار الدهب | 10-21-10, 05:49 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 10-21-10, 09:39 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Elawad | 10-21-10, 05:16 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 10-22-10, 04:48 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | فاروق عثمان | 10-24-10, 03:40 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | فاروق عثمان | 10-25-10, 03:00 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Sabri Elshareef | 10-29-10, 03:01 AM |
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