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 Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists (Re: كمال عباس)
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| Quote: الخلاصة:إن النضال ضد المشروع الإسلاموي تفرضه عدة ضرورات يعد وجود إقليات غيرمسلمة من أحدها ولكن هناك عناصر عدة غيره تفرض الرهان علي دولة المواطنة وعلي قيم العصر ....... |
الاخ كمال عباس
مقالك اعلاه لما يغادر شيئا في تشريح ازمة الدولة الدينية وتبيان الحل الواضح لازمتنا الوطنية في الدولة الديمقراطية العلمانية التي تكون المواطنة هي الاساس للحقوق فيها
وضمانة للمساواة بين جميع المواطنين غض النظر عن اديانهم ومعتقداتهم، مما اتفق معك فيه
تعليقي السابق كان يشدد علي هذه النقطة تحديدا، العلمانية ضرورة حتي ولو كانت كل البلاد تعتنق دينا واحدا، بما يمنع وجود من يحتكر حق تفسير النصوص بما يخدم مصلحة فئة معينة ضد اخري، ويسبغ عليها قداسة زائفة وسلطة مغتصبة ومدعاة،
وقد قلت ان القوي السياسية لم تبلور خطابا واضحا في الدعوة للعلمانية بما يخرجها من مجرد مطالبة بحقوق غير المسلمين الي تبنيها من قبل المسلمين ذات نفسهم ، واري ان النظر المدقق في المواقف التاريخية للقوي السياسية سيزودنا بالتفصيل حول هذه القضية لكن ذلك مما قد يخرج البوست عن مقاصده
الاخ العوض:
مع اتفاقي معك في عدم وضوح دعاة العلمانية في طرحهم لقضيتهم بمعزل عن حقوق غير المسلمين ،لكن هذا لا ينفي ان الدولة الديمقراطية العلمانية هي اهم ركيزة للوحدة الوطنية في دولة تتاسس الحقوق فيها علي اساس المواطنة ، واختلف معك في كون نضال الجنوبيين كان ضد التهميش التنموي والاجتماعي فقط، لان خطاب الحركة الشعبية ومنذ الثمانينات تحدث ايضا عن التهميش الثقافي وهيمنة واستعلاء الاسلاموعروبية علي البلاد وفرضها لثقافة احادية كانت الدولة الدينية من اهم ثمراتها
ارجو ان تبين لنا العلاقة بين توسل دعاة العلمانية لحقوق غير المسلمين في خدمة اجندتهم كما ذكرت لهدف الفصل بين الدين والدولة
وبين انهم بهذا يتحملون وزر الانفصال؟ هل بمعني انهم دعموا ثورة الهامش لتقاتل بالوكالة عنهم؟ ام لانهم تقاعسوا عن نصرتها فيما يليهم؟ في رأيي ان الديمقراطيين والعلمانيين اذا تحملوا هذا الوزر فذلك للسبب الثاني ارجع
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| Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-24-10, 10:39 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-24-10, 11:14 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-24-10, 11:22 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 10-01-10, 04:23 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Deng | 09-24-10, 11:18 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-24-10, 11:29 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-24-10, 11:35 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Zakaria Joseph | 09-24-10, 03:04 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Elawad | 09-24-10, 03:58 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Zakaria Joseph | 09-24-10, 04:35 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Elawad | 09-24-10, 04:39 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | jini | 09-24-10, 04:47 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | كمال عباس | 09-24-10, 05:10 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | كمال عباس | 09-24-10, 05:22 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | كمال عباس | 09-24-10, 05:24 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Elawad | 09-24-10, 06:02 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Zakaria Joseph | 09-24-10, 06:28 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-24-10, 10:08 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | صديق الموج | 09-24-10, 06:20 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Kostawi | 09-24-10, 06:23 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | كمال عباس | 09-24-10, 06:33 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Abdalla aidros | 09-24-10, 07:59 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-24-10, 08:50 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-24-10, 09:08 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Elawad | 09-24-10, 10:23 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-24-10, 09:29 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-24-10, 09:39 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Kostawi | 09-24-10, 10:52 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-25-10, 02:35 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-25-10, 02:37 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-25-10, 02:44 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | كمال عباس | 09-25-10, 03:34 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-25-10, 07:29 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Abdalla aidros | 09-25-10, 07:57 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | كمال عباس | 09-25-10, 03:25 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Elawad | 09-25-10, 04:58 PM |
 Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Mohamed Elgadi | 09-26-10, 00:32 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | MAHJOOP ALI | 09-26-10, 01:21 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-26-10, 01:37 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-26-10, 01:39 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Zakaria Joseph | 09-27-10, 03:43 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Elawad | 09-27-10, 05:55 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Elawad | 09-28-10, 03:08 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | ثروت سوار الدهب | 09-28-10, 05:01 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Sabri Elshareef | 09-28-10, 05:32 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | ثروت سوار الدهب | 09-28-10, 05:47 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | ثروت سوار الدهب | 09-28-10, 05:54 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-28-10, 06:09 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-28-10, 06:37 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Elawad | 09-28-10, 05:17 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-29-10, 06:37 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-29-10, 06:38 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Elawad | 09-29-10, 05:16 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Elawad | 09-29-10, 05:27 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | bakri abdalla | 09-29-10, 08:23 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | ثروت سوار الدهب | 09-29-10, 08:47 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Elawad | 09-29-10, 09:32 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 09-30-10, 02:16 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Elawad | 09-30-10, 02:55 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Elawad | 09-30-10, 06:29 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 10-01-10, 03:06 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Sabri Elshareef | 10-29-10, 02:56 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 10-01-10, 02:18 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | كمال عباس | 10-01-10, 02:49 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 10-01-10, 03:24 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | معاوية عبيد الصائم | 10-01-10, 02:50 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | كمال عباس | 10-01-10, 04:10 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | ثروت سوار الدهب | 10-01-10, 04:39 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 10-01-10, 06:33 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 10-01-10, 06:39 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 10-01-10, 04:43 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | ثروت سوار الدهب | 10-01-10, 05:33 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Abdel Aati | 10-01-10, 09:46 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | ثروت سوار الدهب | 10-06-10, 04:08 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 10-06-10, 05:47 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | ثروت سوار الدهب | 10-21-10, 05:49 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 10-21-10, 09:39 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Elawad | 10-21-10, 05:16 PM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | doma | 10-22-10, 04:48 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | فاروق عثمان | 10-24-10, 03:40 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | فاروق عثمان | 10-25-10, 03:00 AM |
| Re: Zakaria Joseph ,elawad and All Northern Secularists | Sabri Elshareef | 10-29-10, 03:01 AM |
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