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 http://www.###################/cgi-bin/sdb/2bb.cgi?seq=msg&board=190&msg=1238248257&rn=8 (Re: محمد حيدر)
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Salamat everyone
Altayeb: your points are good and valid. Furthermore, I would like to add that each choice yields a different outcome.
All of what I have said and about to say and write are based on 18 years of personal observation in the US for myself first, my family (brothers, sisters) some friends, and a lot of fellow sudanese .
If we examine the first choice i.e to stay in the west; there are two categories: Those who choose the western way of life to themselves and their families; and generaly these people have made a choice that they are happy with and they DO NOT have a problem such as the one we are discussing.
The second category in the first choice are those who are there(in the west) not by choice but rather by fate and they most likely have no means of going back for reasons beyond their capabilities, and these brothers may Allah help them because they may very much want to go back but can't afford it or otherwise. My suggestion to any such person in their situation and believe me I was in their shoes for some time; is to join the second choice which is to make the best they can to establish a better community where they are and may allah reward them with "Ajr Ale3mar fi Alard" (the reward for the institution of good on earth from Allah)(
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The second choice and I personally have worked very hard for the past 16 out of the 18 years I have spent in the US to be part of them, is to establish better communities if you can't change where you are , and this brother Altayeb requires unthinkable sacrifice but Alhamdu-llilah the reward is there and bright. This is fairly new to us as sudanese in other countries with totally different cultures, and other religions or practices.All the points that you have mentioned are correct because they are true and we have all gone through them.
The third choice is a little bit tricky (Sa3ab" ; because LEAVING Sudan is or was as easy as packing up your bag and a Visa but RETURNING to Sudan or somewhere else with a family requires a LOT of planning and Tawfiq min Allah.
Going back to Sudan you really have to consider many things but the rewards are worth it, certainly.
Going back to other Arab or Islamic countries also requires some planning , but also the rewards are worth the move "in my humble opinion.
Overall,I absolutly agree with Osama in that the good is everywhere so as the bad or evil, and persomnally I have learned a great deal of good in the west, AND have seen also a great deal of good from both westrenrs and others. My children have learned many more good things than bad in the west (They left before the are 12 years of age
One last point there are three major issues here:
1. Religion: I always say that you can raise your child to be agood muslim any where, even in America I have seen
American-born teenagers whose parents and grand parents are African American memorize the whole Quran... it can be done but it is difficult and requires tremendous sacrifice because practically no one is helping you ...some times not even your own children certainly putting them in Islamic schools makes it a lot easier
2. Arabic language and culture: this is very very difficult but it can be done and you need a lot of support from your family and the results are very poor but better than nothing ' it also helps if you can afford to take all the family every year to Sudan (Very expensive an after a while your children may tell you they do not want to go to Sudan and would rather go to this camp or that summer program and it may be too late to change them
3. Heritage and belonging : the most difficult of all and in my opinion it is IMPOSSIBLE to instill in a person the true feeling of belonging to Sudan or being emotionally tied up to Sudan or have some profound memories of his family in Sudan without actually living there. So , if you want your children to be Sudanese they have to live in Sudan.... period
This topic ya Mohamed Hayder , Mohamed Abdallah, Ismeil, Altayeb and Osama is a very serious and important. It is the nightmare for a lot of Sudanese brothers and sisters living abroad, may Allah help us and our children to what HE deems best....
Ayman
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| مقال مزعج: حول تنشئه أطفالنا في أوروبا و أمريكا!!! للتنبيه فقط | محمد حيدر | 03-28-09, 02:50 PM |
| Re: مقال مزعج: حول تنشئه أطفالنا في أوروبا و أمريكا!!! للتنبيه فقط | ismeil abbas | 03-28-09, 03:42 PM |
| Re: مقال مزعج: حول تنشئه أطفالنا في أوروبا و أمريكا!!! للتنبيه فقط | الطيب بشير | 03-28-09, 05:37 PM |
| Re: مقال مزعج: حول تنشئه أطفالنا في أوروبا و أمريكا!!! للتنبيه فقط | محمد حيدر | 03-29-09, 03:55 AM |
| Re: مقال مزعج: حول تنشئه أطفالنا في أوروبا و أمريكا!!! للتنبيه فقط | محمد عبدالله سيد احمد | 03-29-09, 05:54 AM |
| مقال مزعج: حول تنشئه أطفالنا في أوروبا و أمريكا!!! للتنبيه فقط | Ayman Ahmed | 03-29-09, 06:47 AM |
| Re: مقال مزعج: حول تنشئه أطفالنا في أوروبا و أمريكا!!! للتنبيه فقط | الطيب بشير | 03-29-09, 01:15 PM |
| Re: مقال مزعج: حول تنشئه أطفالنا في أوروبا و أمريكا!!! للتنبيه فقط | Osama Mohammed | 03-29-09, 01:23 PM |
| http://www.###################/cgi-bin/sdb/2bb.cgi?seq=msg&board=190&msg=1238248257&rn=8 | Ayman Ahmed | 03-29-09, 10:32 PM |
| شكرا | محمد الامين احمد | 03-29-09, 10:55 PM |
| Re: شكرا | almaskoon | 03-29-09, 11:16 PM |
| Re: شكرا | عبدالرحمن الحلاوي | 03-30-09, 04:31 AM |
| Re: شكرا | المسافر | 03-30-09, 06:35 AM |
| Re: شكرا | Badreldin Ahmed Musa | 03-30-09, 07:17 AM |
| Re: شكرا | محمد حيدر | 03-30-09, 08:00 AM |
| رد | فرحات عباس | 03-30-09, 08:49 AM |
| Re: رد | عزيز | 03-30-09, 12:47 PM |
| Re: رد | أنور أدم | 03-30-09, 09:24 PM |
| Re: رد | محمد حيدر | 03-31-09, 01:39 PM |
| Re: مقال مزعج: حول تنشئه أطفالنا في أوروبا و أمريكا!!! للتنبيه فقط | محمد حيدر | 04-03-09, 10:56 AM |
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