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05-11-2007, 05:58 PM

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Re: الحو ار القاسى بين نساء الجنوب ونساء الشمال يبدأ اليوم فى بوسطن (Re: Tumadir)

    Quote: وعقبال العوض اخوك ده يقعدوه في ورشة عمل زي دي عن التسامح مع اليهود
    وعقال اخونا الطاهر 2 يلقى ليه ورشة عمل زي دي يقعدوه في ورشة عمل للتصالح
    مع غير العروبين وهكذا دواليك...ومحمد سليمان يقعدوه لك للتصالح مع الجلابه

    اها يا اختي الغرب ده ما ببنكر افضاله الله يخيلهم لينا الفتحوا عيوننا نشوف الحق ونقوله.


    Quote: العوض بقيت شايفاك تخصص تراجي
    بجيك لما القى زمن نشوف الاسكواتش ده قريته سنة كم لانه شكلك مذاكر كويس

    لا أريد بأي حال أن أساهم في حرف هذا البوست عن مضمونه لكن أجدني مضطرا للرد على بعض النقاط.
    أولا لا أنكر أبدا ما أضافه لي وجودي خارج السودان... و فخور كذلك بما أضافه وجودي للبلد الذي أقيم به أنا وغيري من المهاجرين خصوصا السودانيين و المسلمين كمجموعتين أنتمي إليهما أضافتا إلى كندا و للفكر الإنساني و للحضارة الكثير. تعلمت الكثير هنا و أنا ممتن لذلك و لكن لن أنسى أن ما وصلته الإنسانية الآن هو تراكم و إرث إنساني ساهمت فيه كأسود و كمسلم. و لن أتعامل معه بدونية و لن آخذ منه ما يتعارض و منظومة القيم التي أؤمن بها. ليس من باب التعالي لكن من باب إثبات الواقع لست في حاجة لورشة عمل لتعلمني كيف أتعامل مع اليهود... تعاملت مع كثير من اليهود بدون أي عقد و لا صورة نمطية مسبقة. و أفرق بين اليهود كأفراد و بين دولة الكيان الصهيوني القائمة على التفريق بين الناس و على الاغتصاب و الظلم.
    موضوع تخصصي فيك!!! لن أرد عليه كما تجاهلت من قبل الرد على اتهامك لي بالسعي لاغتيال شخصيتك!!! و ذكرتي أنك تعرفين أسباب هذا السعي!!! إلى أن تتفضلي بذكر شواهدك على هذه الاتهامات ـ المؤلمة لي ـ سأظل أنظر إليها على أنها شواهد لحالة تجعلك تظنين أن حوار الآخرين و اختلافهم معك لا تفسير له إلا الكيد و الترصد. كوني استشهدت بكلامك عن لعب الاسكواتش لا يدل على الترصد فهو كلام كتبتيه هنا و استشهدت به. يعني يا تراجي انت عايزة تقولي انو الشمالية الكرعينا اتشققت في نقل الموية و شغل الحواشات و جات ماتت في الولادة تظل هي الجاني و تراجي اللعبت الاسكواتش هي المهمشة لمجرد الانتماء العرقي لكل واحدة؟
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05-11-2007, 11:41 PM

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Re: الحو ار القاسى بين نساء الجنوب ونساء الشمال يبدأ اليوم فى بوسطن (Re: Elawad)


    العوض
    متين قلنا انه ده
    Quote: أولا لا أنكر أبدا ما أضافه لي وجودي خارج السودان...

    بيتناقض مع ده:
    Quote: و فخور كذلك بما أضافه وجودي للبلد الذي أقيم به أنا وغيري من المهاجرين خصوصا السودانيين و المسلمين كمجموعتين أنتمي إليهما أضافتا إلى كندا و للفكر الإنساني و للحضارة الكثير

    ومنو قال لك مونه الغرب اضاف لينا معناها ما اضفنا ليه؟؟؟؟؟؟
    ضربت المثل باسم كشخ مشارك معنا هنا في النقاش
    كما ضربت المثل بنفسي في امثله لم تحدث
    ايه يعني؟؟؟؟
    وبعدين كلامي معاك كان..معاه وجوه ضاحه يعني بشاغل فيك
    عامل زعلان من ديك وصاريها يازول انت حر وانا زاتي زعلانه
    انت ناسي كلالمك لكمال عباس وادعائكم انكم ارباب الفهم في بوست خالد كودي؟؟؟؟
    بعدين الكلام ده ليس معناه الحرفي اكيد.....
    Quote: يعني يا تراجي انت عايزة تقولي انو الشمالية الكرعينا اتشققت في نقل الموية و شغل الحواشات و جات ماتت في الولادة تظل هي الجاني و تراجي اللعبت الاسكواتش هي المهمشة لمجرد الانتماء العرقي لكل واحدة؟
    يازول هنالك فرق بين ان تكون مهمش وتكون متبني لقضية المهمشين.
    زيما بشاشا مبتني لقضية الزنوجه في السودان وزي ما اي متعلمين ممكن يمثلوا جيوب مختلفه لكنها تظل صغيره بين الجيوب الكبيره الحقيقيه.كوني امرأه وغير مضطهده في اسرتي او اهلي ليس معناها
    ان النساء غير مضطهادات.
    يازول امشي الله يفتح عليك وخلينا نبعد عن بوست تماضر دي ما نخربه ليها.
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05-11-2007, 11:15 PM

Tumadir
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Re: الحو ار القاسى بين نساء الجنوب ونساء الشمال يبدأ اليوم فى بوسطن (Re: Tumadir)

    دوما حبيبتى ...انا ما وصفتك بالجبن ...ولا علقت على كلامك حتى ..

    لو ملاحظة انا ما علقت على كلام أى زول لسه ..انا بس حريصة على شرح الوقائع من ناحية انفعالية وهو ده أكتر ما يميز اللمة البتكلم عنها دى ...
    صدقت آمال لانها كانت صادقة ...من صوت الزول ومن جرية دمعته .

    حليتك بى عافية لمن افضى ....
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06-11-2007, 00:34 AM

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Re: الحو ار القاسى بين نساء الجنوب ونساء الشمال يبدأ اليوم فى بوسطن (Re: Tumadir)

    Quote: صدقت آمال لانها كانت صادقة ...من صوت الزول ومن جرية دمعته
    تماضر حبيبتي انا ما بقول انها كذبت في مشاعرها وممكن تكون بكت لانه اعتبرت دا ظلم from her own prespective لكين نحن ابدا ما سمعنا باي زول بدوه نمر زياده لانه من مناطق دارفور او الجنوب او لانه من الاقليه الفلانيه او لانه بتاع سباق او لاعب سله او عوام وعنده مداليات او صاحب احتياجات خاصه لانه لسه الاشياء دي في السودان ما طبقت وتم حرمانها منها لانها من دارفور اولا نه ابوها الله جابو كما تعتقد هي , دا كلامي انا يعني بتكون عوملت معامله عاديه. و لو تم اعطاء اي طالب او طالبه درجات لنشاطه الرياضي وميداليتاته ليحرز بها المجموع المطلوب لدخول الجامعه بالله خليها تورينا دا حدث متي ؟؟ وفي اي جامعه ؟؟؟ومن هم الذين تم ادخالهم الجامعه تقديرا لميداليتهم الرياضيه الذهبيه؟؟؟!!! .
    انا متاكده لما التعليم الحكومي كان بخيره ولم تمتد اليه الايادي العابثه كان المعيار واحد ونزيه جدا .بدليل ان بت الغفير ممكن تتفوق علي بت مدير المدرسه وكثير من الناس الابواتهم ما بفكوا الحرف بيقبلوا في احسن المدارس الحكوميه وبيدخلوا جامعه الخرطوم . عمري عمري ما سمعت بان طالب او طالبه
    been excluded because of his / her name , family name ,looks , skin colour or religion .
    الدكتوره خالده زاهر الساداتي اول طبيبه سودانيه ترجع اصولها الي دارفور ان لم تخني الذاكره وكانت والدتي تفخر بها وتعتبرها مثلا يحتذي . التعليم دا الا يظلمك حظك او مقدراتك التحصلييه

    (عدل بواسطة doma on 06-11-2007, 00:37 AM)
    (عدل بواسطة doma on 06-11-2007, 02:06 AM)
    (عدل بواسطة doma on 06-11-2007, 02:06 AM)
    (عدل بواسطة doma on 06-11-2007, 04:49 AM)

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06-11-2007, 12:40 PM

Tumadir
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Re: الحو ار القاسى بين نساء الجنوب ونساء الشمال يبدأ اليوم فى بوسطن (Re: Tumadir)

    فى هذا الصباح الماطر الجميل ..

    حا حكى ليكم عن سوزى ...

    سوزى شابة فى العشرينات من عمرها ...جميلة ومشرقة وحية ...

    لما الزول يشوفا بيفكر فى حاجات ايجابية زى التفاؤل والشباب والامل والجمال والابداع ...

    قدمت نفسها على انها فنانة تشكيلية وجابت معاها لوحة مقسومة لى قسمين ...

    اللوحة لى ورده وخلفية باهية ومتفاءلة ...

    قالت اللوحة مقسومة لى قسمين "عمدا" ...وبدت تضع اللوحة الاساسية "الوردة" بطرق مختلفة مع الجزء التانى البمثل الخلفية ...

    وفى كل مرة كنا بنشوف لوحة جديدة ومغايرة ...

    قالت عملتها مخصوص عشان هى بتمثل حال الانسان ...ممكن يظهر بشكل مختلف وبرضو بيظل جميل ...والناس ما ضرورى يكون عندها حكم مسبق عن كيف يكون ..ويقبلو على اشكالو المختلفة ...

    ضربت فى عمق سحيق بكلماتها ولوحتها ,,,وسرحت خواطرنا فى الاحكام المسبقة وفى حكاية الشكل الواحد المقبول قصاد كل الاشكال والاحتمالات التانية المرفوضة .....وأترك بقية الخاطرة لمخيلتكم الانتلكشوال ..عشان تفهموا مغزى كلام بت فى عمرها وفى ظروفها بتطرح فلسفة كاملة للانسانية فى لوحة ...

    لما كنا قاعدين فى الدايرة الكبيرة وأسميها "دائرة التواصل المنتحب" ...قالت ودموعها تغالب كلماتها:

    كنت فى مناسبة فنية وقابلت هشام، هشام قال لى انا متزوج وزوجتى فنانة اسمها سارة فى نيويورك داير اعرفك عليها، انتو فنانات وممكن تعملوا مشاريع مع بعض، بعدها عرفت سارة وسارة عرفتنى على سيرين وشباب تانيين، حسة انا وسيرين و"ابوك" صديقات وهشام برضو، ناس بعتنوا بى وبحبونى، كيف ما أحبهم، وكيف أسمع كلام أهلى البيقولو لي ...بقولو لى ما تثقى فى الناس ديل ديل اعداءنا ..انا ماعارفة أصدق منو ...وانتحبنا جميعا

    كانت تجلس فى الكرسى الذى يلينى، احتضنتها وبكيت معها ...وأتتها سيرين وأبوك باكيتان واحتضنها ....وكانت من أجمل الحاضرين ....
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06-11-2007, 12:47 PM

Tumadir
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Re: الحو ار القاسى بين نساء الجنوب ونساء الشمال يبدأ اليوم فى بوسطن (Re: Tumadir)

    عذرا لم أذكر ميادة بعد ...وميادة هذه هى بنت عضو البورد السيد المحترم الصديق نور الدين منان ...

    ميادة يا أصدقائى هى واحدة من كنوزنا الشبابية ...يمكننى أن أرشحها سفيرة للمستقبل ...وقائمة باعمال السلام ...

    بنت فصيحة وواضحة الرأى ..شابة جميلة ومهذبة ...لا تخاف قول الحق ...

    طيبة المبادىء وواسعة المدارك ...عندما تتحدث يصتنت الجميع ..وعندما نختلف وتنشق الصفوف كانت هى التى تجمع أفئدتنا المحترقة فى حديقة جميلة للفأل والأمل ...كانت تنصحنا، كبارا وصغارا، أن نتجاوز عتبة الألم التى وقفنا فيها طويلا ,ان نحلم بسودان أخضر الجانب ومتفق الرؤى ..كانت تنصحنا كأنها أمنا جميعا وكانت واحدة من أصغرنا ,اكثرنا تفتحا وأوقدنا جذوة نحو الاكتمال ...هى واحدة من الاربعة بنات الشابات اللائى جئن يمثلن ســــــــــــياب ..

    ثلاثتها الأخريات هن ...سوزان الفنانة التشكيلية وأبوك الجميلة جمال عارضات الازياء التى لم أتحدث عنها الا لماما ...وسيرين ...ابنتى ...

    سأوافيكم بأخبارهن المفرحة ...
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07-11-2007, 06:32 PM

مريم الطيب
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Re: الحو ار القاسى بين نساء الجنوب ونساء الشمال يبدأ اليوم فى بوسطن (Re: Tumadir)

    ميادة‘ابوك ‘سوزان‘ سيرين‘ابال

    فتيات يبعثن الامل والتفاؤل بأن غدا افضل

    تحدثن بعمق وخبرة سنوات تفوق اعمارهن..

    وعي مميز ‘وصدق يجعلك تقف في منتصف المسافة

    بين الحقيقة والوهم..في لحظة تمنيت لو ان العالم

    باكمله يستمع...حتما هن قادمات ولو طال السفر
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06-11-2007, 06:48 PM

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Re: الحو ار القاسى بين نساء الجنوب ونساء الشمال يبدأ اليوم فى بوسطن (Re: Tumadir)

    up


    لقيت البوست ده في الصفحة التانية

    قلت ما معقول يكون هنا
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07-11-2007, 04:52 AM

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Re: الحو ار القاسى بين نساء الجنوب ونساء الشمال يبدأ اليوم فى بوسطن (Re: Tumadir)

    Quote: (عدل بواسطة doma on 06-11-2007, 00:37 ص)
    (عدل بواسطة doma on 06-11-2007, 02:06 ص)
    (عدل بواسطة doma on 06-11-2007, 02:06 ص)
    (عدل بواسطة doma on 06-11-2007, 04:49 ص)


    الفاضلة دومة و الفاضل كمال عباس
    اذا كنتو ح تداخلو هنا ،،، برجاء
    اضغطا على ايقونة شاهد قبل ان تنشر
    صاح انتو ما حتقدرو تعدلو فى النموزج الاصفر البظهر ليكم
    للمشاهدة،، لكن تحتو طوالى ح تلقو كتابتكم وتقدرو تعدلوها بمزااااج
    العجلة من الشيطان !
    ارحموا من فى الارض .. اصلها قافله معانا (وجه محذر بى اصبع فوووق)
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07-11-2007, 08:27 PM

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Re: الحو ار القاسى بين نساء الجنوب ونساء الشمال يبدأ اليوم فى بوسطن (Re: Tumadir)

    متابعون


    الباقر
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07-11-2007, 09:05 PM

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Re: الحو ار القاسى بين نساء الجنوب ونساء الشمال يبدأ اليوم فى بوسطن (Re: Tumadir)

    Quote: الله يفتحها عليك يا العوض شقيش ما تقبل .

    الأخت الغالية دوما
    قرأت هذه الدعوة الآن. ممتن لك غاية الامتنان و أشكرك على مشاعرك الصادقة و الفياضة. لك مثلها و أكثر.
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07-11-2007, 10:44 PM

مصطفي سري
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Re: الحو ار القاسى بين نساء الجنوب ونساء الشمال يبدأ اليوم فى بوسطن (Re: Elawad)

    الاستاذة تماضر والمتداخلون
    ليتنا نستطيع ان ننقل تلك المصارحة والحوار القاسي الى هنا
    شكرا استاذة تماضر ومتابعين هذا الحوار ...
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16-11-2007, 03:48 AM

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    ليتنا نستطيع ان ننقل تلك المصارحة والحوار القاسي الى هنا

    أستاذ مصطفى سرى..
    الحوار ده ممكن يتم هناك فى بلاد الخواجات وتحت مظلتهم
    لذلك يكون صريحا وقاسيا..ومع ذلك مقبولا

    ولكن اذا تم هنا سرعان ما تداهمك الاتهامات باذكاء النعرات العرقية وتدمير السلام الاجتماعى
    وبالجهوية والعنصرية...فقط لأنك تتحدث بصراحة عن أمور يعرفها الجميع
    وواضحة وضوح الشمس.

    هذا النوع من الحوار هنا بجيب الهوا..
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17-11-2007, 00:57 AM

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    ايذانا ووعدا ...

    بمواصلة الخيط ..

    وتباشير نهاية الاسبوع ...على بعد همسة ...

    غدا نلتقى ....انشاء الله
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24-11-2007, 06:18 PM

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    Group Memory for
    The Sudanese Women’s Forum:
    What separates us are the things we do not talk about
    October 26-28, 2007
    This forum was sponsored by
    Sisterhood for Peace: Transforming Sudan
    The Sisterhood for Peace is a joint initiative of
    My Sister’s Keeper and the Interaction Institute for Social Change

    The Sisterhood for Peace is a joint initiative of My Sister’s Keeper and the Interaction Institute for Social Change.
    This initiative is supported by Humanity United, a social investment firm committed to bringing an end to slavery and mass
    atrocities.
    Forum Summary
    Purpose
    This forum brought together 30 Sudanese women, most of whom are living in the United States,
    to enter into dialogue about issues affecting women in the Sudan. Several decades of war in
    Sudan have strategically pitted various groups against one another. These conflicts have torn at
    the country’s social fabric. Unfortunately, efforts to mobilize women to wage peace have been
    fractured along the same fault lines. To ensure justice and inclusive security in Darfur and all
    Sudan, women must move beyond the real and imaginary borders that have separated us.
    Convening Diaspora active and grassroots women is an essential step in this process.
    Accomplishments and Agreements
    We were able to raise and discuss many issues that have separated us as women from different
    backgrounds and different parts of Sudan. We were able to create an atmosphere for engaging
    tough issues and beginning to understand one another’s experiences.
    The most important agreement we made was to continue the dialogue about the issues that
    were discussed during the forum—both with one another and with others in our families,
    communities and networks.
    Immediate Next Steps
    - Share group memory and photos with all participants
    - Follow up conference call in early December
    - Establish tools to communicate, share information as a larger group
    - Invite all Forum
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24-11-2007, 06:20 PM

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    Participants:
    Participants
    Mayada Abdulmannan
    Eithar Abutaha
    Amal Ali
    Amal Allah Gabu
    Nada Ali
    Sirein Awadalla
    Shahinaz Bedri
    Yusra Elkhitam
    Maryam Elmubarak
    Tamador Gibreel
    Samira Karrar
    Anida Magaya
    Amna Malik
    Susan Mogga
    Laila Mohamed
    Khalda Mohieldin
    Agnes Oswaha
    Diana Okwir
    Apal Parek
    Zeinab El Sawi
    Nour Tabidi
    Sisterhood for Peace Core
    Strategy Group Members
    Sudanese Sisters:
    Magda Ahmed
    Niemat Ahmedi
    Sarra Ali
    Apuk Ayuel
    Nagat Elmahdi
    Zeinab Eyega
    Sarah Rial
    African American Sisters:
    Kim Alleyne
    Lee Farrow
    Che Madyun
    Liz Walker
    Facilitators and Project
    Staff
    Gloria White-Hammond
    Cynthia Parker
    Kiara Nagel
    Geneva Wallace
    Melinda Weekes
    Ditra Edwards
    Molly Kaufman
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24-11-2007, 06:22 PM

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    Introductions
    We began with a welcoming ritual that acknowledges the importance of community and
    connectedness for our identities as women. After each person gave her name and where she
    was from the group responded with “We see you.” Then she replied “Then I am here.” The
    facilitators then explored the idea of ‘listening as an ally’ and practiced listening skills that we
    would use throughout the weekend. (See Appendix for details.) After the exercise, we shared
    our thoughts.
    How does this work in the cultural context of Sudan?
    • You may talk differently when talking to a man.
    • Sometimes you may need to be not nice, how do you deal with that?
    • There is a lot of culture behind listening always. Good listening has eye contact, but in
    our culture it is disrespectful to look the person in the eyes so you listen but don’t make
    eye contact.
    • Men think I’m not listening because I am multi-tasking but women can do that.
    • People don’t want to show disrespect or hurt someone when they are communicating.
    • Sometimes it’s about patience. Sometimes people do not understand directions from a
    doctor or a social worker but they do not speak up or ask questions. There’s the power
    of the doctor and white coat. It might be seen as disrespectful to disagree.
    • Facilitator comment: These techniques need to be adjusted, depending on who’s using
    them. You’ve mentioned the significance of gender, body language, power dynamics,
    culture, and social relationships in shaping how you can listen as an ally.
    What was it like to listen to your partner and really try to understand her?
    • I may have my own ideas about what is right. It’s not just listening for understanding but
    also for learning.
    • Advocacy is a choice you make from the beginning, you are not listening but arguing.
    • Usually we just talking and not listening.
    • I think it was hard for the speaker to fill a five minute period.
    • I found myself listening but kind of zoning out – it was so hard!
    • The topic was of our grandmoms. Sharing jokes and stories was fun, but if we were
    talking about politics or something, it would be different. I had control of the subject
    because she doesn’t know my family.
    • This is why drama is created.
    • If you were enjoying it, it is not hard to listen.
    • The talking part was easy for me, but the listening part was harder.
    • We discovered that we were both from Michigan and both in healthcare so it was easy to
    listen.
    Ways of Being Together
    We spent time talking about how we wanted to be with each other during the forum and what we
    hoped to accomplish. In the end, our ideas could be summed by four statements:
    • Create an atmosphere where we can be open and honest with one another.
    • Challenge ourselves and one another to face difficult issues
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24-11-2007, 06:24 PM

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    • Work toward unity and a better future
    • Carry the message of this Forum with us when we leave:
    Below, the details of our conversation are organized around these three statements.
    Create an atmosphere where we can be open and honest with one another:
    • Listen
    • Strategize together
    • Be honest with each other
    • Share our list of contacts
    • Respect each other
    • Value each other’s ideas regardless of our differences, building common ground with
    one another
    • Be critical and challenge each other
    • Go deep inside ourselves and face ourselves
    • Take responsibility for what happens
    • Value you and what you’re taking about
    • Unite, no place for racial differences or tribal boundaries
    • Try to heal the wounds
    • Art can be a tool
    • Fresh start, step back from our anger and judgment, no divide and conquer
    • Understand and talk honestly about our differences
    • Talk about culture of difference and how it affects women
    • Learning from African American sisters about addressing difference
    • Be open with each other, and be able to say if you trigger me. We can address it and
    learn how to deal with each other. Say ‘ouch,’ and look at it so we can learn.
    Challenge ourselves and one another to face difficult issues:
    • We have to be critical of each other in a way that we are challenging each other.
    • The way we were brought up to be different, not know each other or respect each other.
    We need to go deep in ourselves and figure out what we need to do, apologize for what
    our ancestors have done, take responsibility for what has occurred.
    • Evaluation for the past, what kind of loss did we have? And what kind of gains did we
    get? Who would have been better of if that had not been gained?
    • I like the motto “What is unsaid is what divides us” [a quote by Francis Deng]
    • Sudanese women in the Diaspora are suffering from so many things. How to address it
    and gather our information, experience, and how we can contribute and assist the
    Sudanese women? Also let’s talk about the Sudanese culture, how they are affecting the
    women in all regions.
    • In Sudan we don’t have the culture of self-criticism but we need to do that work.
    • We have to recognize we have a problem, identify the problem, and then begin to move
    to solutions to address the problem. Do we acknowledge that we have the issue of
    human rights violations?
    • We do recognize the problem and we may understand it individually. We can’t just lump
    everybody. People are affected in a different way.
    • Not to cover up the hurt, these are sensitive. If we don’t create the safe space to uncover
    it, it will never heal. If we don’t get to the root of the problem, it will affect the collective in
    the future
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24-11-2007, 06:26 PM

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    • Expect to get hurt. The issue that hurts you is the issue you need to transcend—
    individually and as a group.
    • What happened takes many years to heal from. It takes a while to fix it.
    • Deal with our differences not only as immigrants in this country but how to blend the
    issues as women coming from different parts of Sudan.
    • Challenges with developing a relationship of understanding. The meaning of Sudan is
    different.
    • I came here because I needed to learn how to talk to Arab women from the North. I’ve
    been in forums and conferences but never like this. It’s like African American sisters with
    white women in this country – consistent parallels of situation and the issue of Arab
    women, African women, skin color, and systems of power.
    • Nobody is talking about the reality within Darfur of colorism (even within families). Right
    now, no one is claiming that being an Arab person is good. Everyone with light skin is
    called Janjaweed.
    • Being in one place is not everything. There is a lot of pain in this room. There is a lot of
    stuff we are not talking about. We have to build trust first in this room first and the bring it
    out to others.
    Work toward unity:
    • We need to make sure we are focusing on the collective, on us as Sudanese women.
    • We have to actually have a fresh start. We’re so stuck in the past we can’t get over the
    animosity and the hurt, step back from our own judgments and start something new.
    Respect one another’s identity, each other’s thoughts. Not repeat history.
    • We have obligation to unite in order to create one Sudan, there should be no place for
    raising differences.
    • The North and South divide is false. When people talk about the North, they are talking
    about the Central government. When we talk like this—African/Arab, North/South,
    East/west –we are reinforcing that divide.
    • Try to build together and heal the wounds. The creative perspective is a tool to address
    that, using the arts and culture and unifying people from different regions into a multicultural
    production group. Art is one of the most important tools.
    Carry the message of this Forum with us when we leave:
    • After this Forum, to see if we really believe in what we are saying—this unity—and carry
    it forward with us.
    • Let us have an open dialogue and not end in this room but carry it into the future.
    • The women have many connections, our children, our husbands and families, we are
    connected. If everyone here takes one thing we talked about here and spreads it to
    those in their community—we are 40—if we share ideas we will affect many areas. The
    main reason we are here is to build our relationship together, build together,
    • Important to take it from here, that there is a conclusion to the Forum. We need to make
    strategies of how we can deal with the problems we face.
    • How can we do something with the current situation going on in Sudan—the peace
    agreement. How can we push the issue here as activists, as peers?
    • Share with different generations, especially those who came when they were younger
    and don’t understand our culture.
    • Build a future. Collect all experiences and ideas, and share with other people who work
    for and care about what happens in Sudan. Share with everyone.
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    • Put together a solid plan. We need everyone to take a moment to ask ‘What can I
    contribute to the situation in Sudan that will help, remove the barriers, and start a
    healthier state?’
    Exploring our Differences: Cross the Line Exercise
    The facilitators led us through an experience to explore some aspects of what it is like to be who
    we are and how different parts of our identities affect our experience of being Sudanese.
    We were asked to “cross the line” if we identified as members of different groups. Each time, the
    women who crossed were asked a series of questions about their experience as part of that
    group. We were asked to notice who crossed and who did not cross, who was with us and who
    was on the other side of the line; to resist the urge to judge who crossed and who did not cross;
    and to notice what we were feeling throughout the exercise. Our answers to the questions about
    each aspect of our identities is captured below.
    Cross the line if you’re a woman…
    • What do you love about being a woman? Femininity
    • What’s hard about being a woman? Oppression, subordination, expectations
    • What are some of the privileges of being a woman? None; multi-tasking; jewelry
    • What could you do to be responsible with those privileges?
    • What do you never want to hear said about women again? Shut up; I can’t do something
    • What could people who are not women do to be supportive of women? Listen; be
    sincere
    Cross the line if you’re a mother…
    • What do you love about being a mother? The kids
    • What’s hard about being a mother? Raising them
    • What do you never want to hear said again about being a mother? You can’t do it
    • What are some of the privileges of being a mother? Love, freedom
    • What could you do to be responsible with those privileges?
    • What could people who are not mothers do to be supportive of mothers? Babysit; have
    babies.
    Cross the line if you are a sister…
    • What do you love about being a sister? Love; laughter
    • What’s hard about being a sister? The not listen
    • What do you never want to hear said again about being a sister? I hate you
    • What are some of the privileges of being a sister? support
    • What could you do to be responsible with those privileges? Compassion; empathy
    • What could people who are not sisters do to be supportive of sisters? be their friend
    Cross the line if you are a grandmother or grandaunt…
    • What do you love about being a grandmother or grandaunt?
    • What’s hard about being a grandmother or grandaunt? Feeling old; don’t remember who
    my grand aunt is
    • What do you never want to hear said again about being a grandmother or grandaunt?
    Old
    • What are some of the privileges of being a grandmother or grandaunt? Respect;
    freedom
    • What could you do to be responsible with those privileges? Give advice
    Sudanese Women’s Forum, October 26-28, 2007
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    • What could people who are not a grandmother or grandaunt do to be supportive of
    grandmothers or grandaunts? Don’t look down on them; make them feel young
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    We started at low risk; now we move into a space that is more challenging. The non-step side is
    privileged so when people there speak and break the silence, be aware.
    Cross the line if you are Arab…
    • What do you love about being Arab? Nothing
    • What’s hard about being Arab? People’s looks for the other side as if I’m responsible for
    being Arab
    • What do you never want to hear said again about being Arab? In my country I feel like
    white people
    • What are some of the privileges of being Arab? Apologize
    • What could you do to be responsible with those privileges? Apologize
    • What could people who are not Arab do to be supportive of people who are Arab?
    Understand that I have nothing to do with it; I was born like this.
    Cross the line if you are African…
    • What do you love about being African? Hair; roots
    • What’s hard about being African? Discrimination
    • What are some of the privileges of being African? Powerful; artistic talent; pressure
    • What could you do to be responsible with those privileges? Teach others
    • What do you never want to hear said again about being African? Privileged;
    underdeveloped; that we are killing ourselves
    • What could people who are not African do to be supportive of people who are African?
    Broaden their minds; leave us alone; study
    Cross the line if you are from the North of Sudan…
    • What do you love about being from the North of Sudan? Culture; nothing
    • What’s hard about being from the North? Being a woman; history; wrapping up
    • What are some of the privileges of being from the North? Education; more facilities
    • What could you do to be responsible with those privileges? To address the suffering of
    others; understand the complex structures; reach out for other regions and tell them we
    are the same; correct those who speak hate when they are around you; not keep silent;
    address racism within our communities
    • What do you never want to hear said again about being from the North? Arrogant; that
    we’re all the same
    • What could people who are not from the North do to be supportive of people who are
    from the North? Understand that we are victims as well; not all of the North is rich; all
    Sudan is suffering, they’re not just by themselves; all women in Sudan are victims;
    education us helps us get out of our shell to come outside; try to trust us; don’t allow
    ourselves to be victimized; persecution is existing within the North and the people who
    are being persecuted speak up again; it’s not a North and South conflict
    Cross the line if you are from the East of Sudan…
    • What do you love about being from the East of Sudan? Unique culture
    • What’s hard about being from the East? Poverty;
    • What do you never want to hear said again about being from the East? That they are not
    from the North; not African
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    • What are some of the privileges of being from the East? Kind hearted; always find big
    families there; might be poor but one who has money will bring family together;
    supportive families
    • What could you do to be responsible with those privileges? Teach others; show how
    they made it to that point, because it’s not easy and sometimes people become greedy
    and don’t want to share
    • What could people who are not from the East do to be supportive of people who are
    from the East? Try to know more about the other regions because it is marginal
    Cross the line if you are from the South of Sudan…
    • What do you love about being from the South of Sudan? African culture; university;
    strength
    • What’s hard about being from the South? Constantly being reminded about the color of
    your skin as a disgrace
    • What do you never want to hear said again about being from the South? That we are
    servants, backward, uncultured
    • What are some of the privileges of being from the South? Freedom; persistence;
    determination; not restrictive
    • What could you do to be responsible with those privileges? Sharing, accepting others,
    opening up; educating self; get to know our fellow Sudanese; use our struggle as a
    model and teach that
    • What could people who are not from the South do to be supportive of people who are
    from the South? Reach out; show greater empathy; walk in our shows; understand our
    humanity; not to dismiss the real problem; agree to disagree; respect; accept; apologize,
    acknowledge, recognize.
    Cross the line if you are from the west of Sudan…
    • What do you love about being from the west of Sudan? Proud because the west of the
    Sudan
    • What’s hard about being from the west? Undermined
    • What do you never want to hear said again about being from the west? Just African
    • What are some of the privileges of being from the west? Indigenous to the land; know
    that it’s your forefather’s land and others want to push you out; discrimination for so long
    time
    • What could you do to be responsible with those privileges? Common standing with all
    Sudanese; rewrite the history of Sudan; open bridges to others
    • What could people who are not from the west do to be supportive of people who are
    from the west? Recognize; be open minded; power sharing; support
    Cross the line if you are from the center of Sudan…
    • What do you love about being from the center of Sudan? The government is in the
    center; facilities
    • What’s hard about being from the center? Not knowing the rest of Sudan; the politics
    • What do you never want to hear said again about being from the center? You’re
    responsible; all the same
    • What are some of the privileges of being from the center? Resources; education; jobs;
    better life
    • What could you do to be responsible with those privileges? Change the government; not
    act like you deserve it; to reach for advocacy and bring about change; be wiling to go out
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    the center; to apologize to all of the people and what happened in the South and the
    North and the East
    • What could people who are not from the center do to be supportive of people who are
    from the center? Understanding; hold us accountable; a lot don’t know how good it is to
    be
    Cross the line if you are Muslim…
    • What do you love about being Muslim? Prayers; empowerment; the Koran; the meaning
    of peace; the feeling of peacefulness
    • What’s hard about being Muslim? Being a women; wearing our veils; wearing scarves in
    America; to assume there are only Sunnis and Shiites; being a woman in a family
    controlled by a man
    • What do you never want to hear said again about being Muslim? Terrorists
    • What are some of the privileges of being Muslim? Going to [?]; it’s cross-cultural; you
    meet people from different places in the world; Islam can see people as all the same, not
    differences of color; universality; second-largest religion.
    • What could you do to be responsible with those privileges? Reach out; be responsible;
    speak out against the terrorists; the real Islam, the goodness of Islam and not misusing
    Islam; teach people how Islam came with a good brotherhood; for clearing out the
    terrorists; stand against the terrorists
    • What could people who are not Muslim do to be supportive of people who are Muslim?
    Know more about it; better understanding; question Muslims; do not assume that all
    women are powerless in Islam or that we are against the western world.
    Cross the line if you are Christian…
    • What do you love about being Christian? Forgiveness; peace; belief in a higher power;
    acceptance of everybody no matter what they believe
    • What’s hard about being Christian? Forgiveness no matter how hard it is; harder to be a
    Christian in America than in Sudan; prejudice
    • What do you never want to hear said again about being Christian? Immoral based on
    how we dress, live, food we eat; heathen; infidels
    • What are some of the privileges of being Christian? Worship together with other people.
    everlasting life; loving your brother regardless of [?]
    • What could you do to be responsible with those privileges? Love; reach out; be an
    example
    • What could people who are not Christian do to be supportive of people who are
    Christian? Understand their religion; give them a chance; don’t have to be a Christian to
    be my brother or sister; stop trying to shift me from my religion
    Cross the line if you are part of another faith, philosophy or way of life not mentioned here
    today…
    • What do you love about being part of that faith, philosophy or way of life? No dogma;
    flexibility; inclusive; acceptance ; openness; challenge
    • What’s hard about being part of that faith, philosophy or way of life? Explaining it to
    people; not being understood; identified as non-religious or a pagan
    • What do you never want to hear said again about being part of that faith, philosophy or
    way of life? That we don’t believe in God; that dancing is good, not evil; that it’s not real;
    that it’s not religious, it’s a belief system
    • What are some of the privileges of being part of that faith, philosophy or way of life?
    Freedom, openness; creativity; acceptance; not having to go to church
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    • What could you do to be responsible with those privileges? Spread the word;
    appreciating and being tolerant of other religions
    • What could people who are not a part of that faith, philosophy or way of life do to be
    supportive of people who are that faith, philosophy or way of life? Try it; accept it; open;
    learn more about it; ask me without already having a judgment
    More women then joined the group after “a lifestyle” was added to the category. We took a few
    minutes to think about the following questions:
    • What did you notice about the experience? What happened for you in the crossing
    experience? What reactions did you have?
    • What was anything that you could have crossed on but didn’t? Why didn’t you?
    • What is that you learned or relearned about people from different groups?
    • What patterns did you notice?
    • If this exercise raised questions for you, note what those questions are.
    We closed by going around the circle and sharing our thoughts about these questions and the
    exercise.
    Identity is fluid. It’s good to confront these differences.
    I have big hope. The youth are articulate and are looking at differences.
    I’m sad that Darfur is left behind.
    I heard many words that are offensive, but I don’t know what they mean. I need to know what
    these words are.
    The exercise split us into two groups, but not superior/inferior.
    I’m proud of [one sister] who didn’t cross to be Muslim or Christian.
    I was confused, maybe others were, about whether we were being asked to identify our roots or
    where you live. I misunderstood it.
    I’m glad to be here.
    We have to face our differences and ourself. We have to be honest with ourself and take
    responsibility for who you are… you can’t deny who you are.
    I feel raw… I have participated in a similar exercise before. Identity is complex and fluid.
    Different circles that we could find ourselves in; identity is contextual – sometimes I would refer
    to myself as New Sudanese. At other times I would not mention my tribe. I might share with
    another woman many attributes, and I might not. It can be uncomfortable as well. One thing
    makes me sad. I am the only one from Darfur. There was some misunderstanding from the
    questions: where you live vs. some understood it as your roots/your identity. It puts you in facing
    yourself and be honest with yourself and take responsibility for what you are. The question of
    identity is not easy; you have to take responsibility. In Sudan we are Arab, but here we chose to
    be black, African, but we have to take responsibility…It’s like a white woman here who does not
    take responsibility. Be honest with yourself. We have to be courageous, honest. Say, I’m Arab,
    I’m responsible. It’s so easy to say that you are Sudanese. It’s harder when it comes from these
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    divisions. In the U.S. you can live without being pressed about your identity; just admitting your
    identity to yourself, but also displaying it to the world who don’t now what it means to be
    something, to say it in front of everyone. I felt I had to be responsible for what I [am]. It made me
    feel defensive; like I had to explain why I made that decision. It showed me how detrimental,
    important the issue of identity is. I never understood how personal identity could be the source
    of conflicts, so that it’s not so personal when it’s for everyone to see.
    Think abut how we can deal with, remedy this problem with identity. How we can touch it and
    face it? Challenging. Exploring. All the attitudes and responses is being honest with each other,
    not that we are faking it. It should be honest. It’s interesting to explore what’s going on inside
    other sisters. When I look at my sisters I just see her face; courage to spell out what we are
    suffering from. When you feel like you’re the only one being misinterpreted, you close the door
    that the other person is also having issues; listening to what they are expecting. We are the
    children of today, not in the past. We are not in their shoes. To really work together, we need to
    speak out; there are things that are under cover, we need to work on trust. The issues are that
    we need to identify the problem and the core problem. If not able to value me (African v. Arab);
    there is racism going on there. We need to address this if we are going to work together.
    When you gave the questions, I was full of rage. What questions will they asked us? At the end I
    felt good about touching the untouchable part of my brain and give me a chance to visit it again
    in my head. I didn’t cross when it said ‘Who is from the center?’ I am from Khartoum. There are
    many things that happened to me there that I don’t want to remember. I received attacks from
    the Southerners and was attacked. It’s hard but I am glad we are able to sit and talk about it and
    face it.
    I never think about coming from the East because I don’t know anything about being there. My
    mother was from there. I work with Arabs and I suffer every day. I am not colored like them, so
    we suffer identity crisis. From the South, they do not have this identify crisis because they are
    not mixed. It [my identity] is an unsolved mystery. They are African; they know who they are.
    The separation is region and religion. west and East are Muslim. That’s not a reason not to work
    together. It is just diversity.
    Before I came here, I thought I would see separation. I’m sick of hearing North and South and
    Muslim and Christian. It’s boring a hole in my brain. I thought I would see that division. I was
    shocked to see one person say I am Arab. That also teaches me that there is a lot I don’t know
    about my own people that I was able to get in this group. It’s hard to not be offended. To be
    comfortable with it takes a lot of strength. It’s a cliché: that the N word is a negative thing, but
    now it is a positive thing. Words coming from Sudan – nkra; gneke; galaba – don’t know what
    they are, but I know they are negative. I need you to tell me so that I can be knowledgeable and
    be sensitivity towards somebody else.
    The line was dividing us but there were always bridges. They need to be strengthened and
    identified. The people who did not cross when we think they should have, these are our bridges.
    They understand the harm of being identified in a certain way. I chose to see them as bridges. If
    this setting was in Sudan, the women who didn’t cross would have crossed. In light of the
    African American experience, these women were lumped as African American and face the
    issue of racism. It’s not easy to say “I’m Arab” because now they know what it feels like to be on
    the other side. I chose to see it as those are the people who could bridge the two sides; instead
    of strengthening them, instead of sanctioning them. Another positive: the one person choosing
    to sincerely acknowledge the fact that this happened and that I am a beneficiary; as person who
    is wounded by the conflict in our country. It triggers a healing process within me. The
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    acknowledgement removes the shackles; it lets me not be judgmental. But let’s understand why
    didn’t they cross the other line.
    It’s nice to find similarities with people who you didn’t think you had similarities. There was
    someone who had sense of integrity to say that this happened. There was a sense of guilt in the
    room and what went with it was a sense of denial. If I distance from a certain identity then I will
    be less blamed. If people in the room are African, why do we continue to still exercise and
    endure racism? We must be aware of the institutional structures of oppression. I have cried a lot
    in my life. I have refused to cry and will not this weekend. I have cried enough. I want to laugh!
    I was struggling with whether to cross on self-identification or on political expectations. As
    Nubians we have been oppressed. As an agent I have benefited on the Arabization in the North
    because my other relative who did not live near the center did not have anything of it. For me, if
    it’s religious. I was not going to cross unless it was something I defined for myself. I was noticing
    [that] there is more diversity that the questions did not bring out. We are more a tribal country
    than regional.
    I’m not feeling guilty about not crossing the line as Arab. We are talking about it on an ongoing
    basis. We decided that we are not Arab, although we speak Arabic. I hope people do not go
    with the attitude that we are not Arab and keep it confidential.
    I’m not claiming the Arab thing is about losing our history and not knowing it. When we were
    colonized by the Egyptian and British, they took the prettiest, the strongest. I identify myself as
    Sudanese, as Sudanese Nubian. I know there are faults in my religion—I’m Muslim. I
    acknowledge that in the North, South, East people have taken color and religion to oppress
    other groups. It’s my responsibility to change the mindset that has divided us for so long. We
    cannot assume that it’s North and South. It’s government controlling, trying to be an Arab
    country. That’s why I don’t identify myself with that, because I still have my identity; look at
    themselves as Sudanese. If we have a new Sudan, we can’t kick them out unless we will still to
    be divided.
    I realized all the diversity in Sudan. The more we put lines on who we are, that is dividing us. I
    want to figure out what we agree on as a woman; I’m a new Sudanese. I should have crossed
    that my mother was in Darfur. I should have crossed when it was from the South, but I was born
    in Khartoum, but I am still from the South and consider myself there. Even throughout my
    organizations, I have worked with Northern Sudanese groups and it was a problem for me,
    being a Southern Sudanese who works with Northern groups because that person is considered
    a traitor. I went to a conference and was not allowed to enter because I worked with Northern
    Sudanese. It is difficult to cross these bridges and we are being open to each other. It will be a
    challenge to go back to other women from my communities. It is a challenge and I want to go
    back to bring what I’ve learned here to other women I work with. When the Southern Sudanese
    women spoke, we are still sad. The Northern women spoke of power, education, privilege.
    The exercise looked simple… It made me realize what the problems we are facing and the guilt.
    Guilt is something that is good to say – not negative or positive. How can we employ this sense
    of guilt as a positive thing? My fellow Northerners shouldn’t be angry. I noticed that my sisters
    from the South are well able to protect themselves, tell their stories, show how focused they are
    and project themselves. How? Despite all the atrocities and bad thing that people from the
    South and west went through, you feel the sense of unity among them. The Northerners are
    more divided than people from the South. It made me understand myself and others better. On
    religion I had one foot on each side [of the line] and then crossed. I couldn’t identify any
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    privileges. I stepped back and felt relieved. This is the first time in front of a group to say I was
    raised as a Muslim but I don’t feel it…. Way of life is my thing and not religion. If this game was
    played in Sudan, would people cross as Arab? We look at it in a different way. We have been
    away from our country for years, and have learned a lot. They say if you want to see a
    mountain, you have to step away from it in order to see it. We see these differences because
    we are away from Sudan. If I were to go back to Sudan, I would see it differently. I realize how
    beneficial the differences are to the big cause. In Central and Northern Sudan, they discriminate
    against very light colored and very dark colored. It’s a mentality.
    In a college course the professor asked “What are you?”… When I said I was African, man Arab
    students stormed out. I didn’t mean to offend… There is an identity crisis. Many things
    mentioned here. Also our parents, peer, community, grandparent pressure to identify as Arab. I
    should have crossed for the center. I despise Khartoum. I regret it. I denied my father and my
    brothers by doing that… I never thought of myself as Darfurian until the problem erupted in
    2003. I would say I’m from Africa, then East Africa. I would have crossed the line to self-identify
    as Arab if this were done in Sudan. My grandparents are from Darfur but I saw myself as
    Sudanese, not Darfuri.
    There is oversensitivity regarding the issue. When having breakfast, sisters from the South were
    sitting together, sisters from the North sitting together. I didn’t think it was because they know
    each other. I wondered will they want me to site with them. I was trying to figure out where do I
    sit. This is oversensitivity and we all have it. The only different I thought about in the exercise
    was tall/short. [This sister] is so tall and I feel so short. In my job, my boss is trying to hire for
    balance, wants to hire someone from the South and from the west. I want to just post the job
    and hire someone for it. We’re oversensitive! I liked it when [one sister] hugged. I had wanted to
    but I wondered if she would think it was genuine.
    I’m tired…at first I thought this was a test… I decided to follow the instructions…I enjoyed
    identifying myself as a mother. As a researcher I am trained to be objective. On the questions of
    identity I took my emotions out of it and tried to be objective. I identify myself as a Sudanese
    and as an African. I speak Arabic and I do some of the culture, but I do not identify with them as
    an Arab at all. A lot of Sudanese have this question of identity… We are a very diverse group of
    people, globally and locally in Africa itself. We have more than 300 tribes. We cannot stereotype
    people. It should be that we have a lot in common as women. We can draw on that. I disagree
    with [the sister who spoke about oversensitivity] but I admire your courage in saying that about
    ourselves. What I have observed on Sudaneseonline.com is insensitivity. What I’ve learned
    about Khartoum culture is [that it is] quite insensitive to others. For us to overcome our
    differences we have to learn to respect differences. In this country [United States] we have to
    learn about the democratic process that goes on in this country. I learned tolerance in America.
    [One sister from the North] sympathized a lot with Southern sisters. There is lesser
    representation with women from Darfur.. I feel anger [from another sister] because we haven’t
    focused on the plight of women from Darfur or the Nuba Mountains. North and South, we need
    to acknowledge Darfur.
    We had dinner and enjoyed an evening of cultural expression. Our hosts were:
    Boston Youth Organizing Project & HipHopMediaLab at 565 Boylston Street, 2nd Fl, Boston, MA
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    هذه الاشارات كانت من نتاج اليوم الاول فى اللقاء الساخن الذى أتحدث عنه....
    طبعا بالانجليزى وطويل وعوامل كتيرة حتخليه ما مقروء لمعظم القراء القلقين ...

    أتمنى أن يجد بعضكم وقتا وجهدا ورغبة فى ترجمة بعض الملاحظات لو يكن كلها ..وينوبكم ثواب ...


    ده غير انه الباس ويرد جديد لنج ...وموضوع نسرين سوركتى ما فتحتو معاكم لسه ....


    ليكم وحشة والله !!!!!

    لاحقا أواصل مدكم بأحداث يوم السبت ...ثم الاحد "بالطبع" ههههه
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