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Re: ماذا لو كانت أوغندا متورطة!! (Re: Hussein Mallasi)
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بعد أن حسب أخونا العائد الملهم ملاسي ردود الفعل المتوقعة من حكومة الجنوب أو قل الحركة ان لنا نسأل بدورنا تري ماذا سيكون موقف رئيس الجمهورية والمؤتمر الوطني صاحب الاغلبية المطلقة في الحكومة- أذا ما ثبت تورط أوغندا? هل سنري ردا صارما أم تروح القضية شمار في مرقة كما راحت قضية حلائب والفشقة وقضية رفض قوات أممية في دارفور ?
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Re: ماذا لو كانت أوغندا متورطة!! (Re: Hussein Mallasi)
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شكرا ملاسي لتنبيهنا للرزانة والرصانة والتركيز علي المضمن في طيات خطابه المجمل يقول
Quote: دع عنك الخفة يا كمال عباس؛ فاذا كانت حكومة الوحدة الوطنية حتزعل ؛ فمن المؤكد ان رئيس الدولة التي تحكمها حكومة الوحدة الوطنية حيزعل و كذلك حزبه. |
بس الزعل حا يجيب أيه ? زعل الرئس وحزبه لأحتلال حلائب والفشقة وقسم وتعهد لعدم دخول القوات الاممية ثم عاد ليركع ويبصم لذا كان سؤالنا عن ماذا سيفعل الرئس والحكومة التي يهيمن عليها حزبه ? وكان السؤال أكثر ألحاحا وتصويبا علي هدفه : أذا ما ثبت تورط أوغندا? هل سنري ردا صارما أم تروح القضية شمار في مرقة كما راحت قضية حلائب والفشقة وقضية رفض قوات أممية في دارفور ? هل تروح شمار في مرقة كما راحت السوابق يا ملاسي ? كمال
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Re: ماذا لو كانت أوغندا متورطة!! (Re: Frankly)
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اخى ملاسى هنالك عدة امور تدعو للريبة فى هذا الامر ، الطائرة مرصوده يوغنديا وعلى الاقل كان يجب ان يبلغ عن فقدانها فى الوقت المناسب . ثم ان هنالك امور اربكت حسابات يوغندا وامريكا ، وهى ان قرنق حظى بترحيب عجيب واستبشر الناس به خيرا ، واظهر قرنق ميلا شديدا للوحده الامر الذى قصم امال وطموحات يوغندا التى كانت تتعشم الاستفاده من خيرات الجنوب ، يبدو ان قرنق طلب من اصحابه الاعانة على بناء سودان موحد فجن جنونهم . ليس للمؤتمر الوطنى ادنى مصلحة فى مقتل قرنق ، كما ان اسلوب التنفيذ فيه احترافيه عاليه، سوف تتكشف الامور يوما بعد يوم .
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Re: ماذا لو كانت أوغندا متورطة!! (Re: hatim)
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Quote: كثرت التسريبات و الاشارات الصحفية التي تتحدث عن تورط أوغندا في عملية سقوط طائرة الشهيد قرنق! |
يا ملاسى الحكاية تتعرف بعد 30 سنة مرت منها سنتين شيل الصبر! قرنق الوحدوى المستفيد من موته الكثيرين امريكا فى المقام الاول اسرائيل يوغندا كينيا افريقيا الوسطى ايثوبيا الانفصاليون قى الشمال والجنوب فى تقديرى وجسب فهمى الدول المجاورة للسودان تريد دولة جنوبية ضعيفة تفتفقر الى الكوادر والموارد البشرية وخصوصا هنالك اطماع وخلافات حدودية وهذه الدولة الناشئة ستضطر الى تجارة الترانسيت عبر كينيا \وسوف تكون تحت رحمة كينيا وستقبل باى شروط قد تفرضها كينيا والا ستضطر الى الاستيراد عبر ميناء دوالا الكاميرون حيث بعد المسافة والكلفة الزائدة واخطار الطريق التى لا يمكن التكهن بها! اسرائيل تريد منابع النيل والسيطرة واقامة السدود وفتح استثمارات جديدة فى المنطقة! امريكا تامين النفط الافريقى ومكافحة الارهاب بفصل شمال افريقيا المسلم عن جنوبها المسيحى والوثنى! وايضا بفصل الجنوب يسهل تفتيت السودان وتقسيمه الى دويلات يسهل السيطرة عليها! الباقى لا يفوت على ود ابقبورة! جنى
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Re: ماذا لو كانت أوغندا متورطة!! (Re: jini)
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الأخ جني ســلامات
Quote: يا ملاسى الحكاية تتعرف بعد 30 سنة مرت منها سنتين شيل الصبر! قرنق الوحدوى المستفيد من موته الكثيرين امريكا فى المقام الاول اسرائيل يوغندا كينيا افريقيا الوسطى ايثوبيا الانفصاليون قى الشمال والجنوب فى تقديرى وجسب فهمى الدول المجاورة للسودان تريد دولة جنوبية ضعيفة تفتفقر الى الكوادر والموارد البشرية وخصوصا هنالك اطماع وخلافات حدودية وهذه الدولة الناشئة ستضطر الى تجارة الترانسيت عبر كينيا \وسوف تكون تحت رحمة كينيا وستقبل باى شروط قد تفرضها كينيا والا ستضطر الى الاستيراد عبر ميناء دوالا الكاميرون حيث بعد المسافة والكلفة الزائدة واخطار الطريق التى لا يمكن التكهن بها! اسرائيل تريد منابع النيل والسيطرة واقامة السدود وفتح استثمارات جديدة فى المنطقة! امريكا تامين النفط الافريقى ومكافحة الارهاب بفصل شمال افريقيا المسلم عن جنوبها المسيحى والوثنى! وايضا بفصل الجنوب يسهل تفتيت السودان وتقسيمه الى دويلات يسهل السيطرة عليها! الباقى لا يفوت على ود ابقبورة! |
أتفق معك في ما ذكرت . أطالع الصحف اليوغندية من حين لآخر ، ولفت نظري في العام الماضي مقال ذكر كاتبه مخاطبا حكومة الجنوب أن يوغندا قدمت الكثير للحركة الشعبية في مسيرة نضالها وأنه حان الوقت لترد حكومة الجنوب الجميل ليوغندا !!
تحياتي ومودتي
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Re: ماذا لو كانت أوغندا متورطة!! (Re: Gaafar Ismail)
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Quote: Garang was murdered, says Sudan ANGELO IZAMA, PAUL HARERA & HUSSIEN BOGERE • Garang did not die in Museveni chopper • Pilot disagreed with crew while in air • Garang was killed by people he thought were his friends
THE ghost of John Garang is back to haunt Sudanese and regional politics, this time around with a bold declaration from Khartoum that the South Sudan leader was assassinated.
In an interview with the Sudanese Arab-language daily Akhbar Alyoum, an English translation of which was published online at www.newsudanvision.com on August 14, the Sudanese State Minister of Interior Aleu Ayeny Aleu suggests that the helicopter crash that killed Garang in July 2005 was an orchestrated murder plot and not an accident as the final investigation report claimed.
Mr Aleu also claims that Garang did not die in President Museveni’s official helicopter but that he had switched aircraft at Entebbe on his way back to Sudan. He claims the fallen founder of the Sudan Peoples Liberation Movement/Army used a military chopper which then crashed due to bad weather and questionable piloting.
This is not the first time Garang’s death is being attributed to foul play but is part of a growing appeal in South Sudan for a criminal investigation to be opened into Garang’s death.
Until now the accepted version of the death was that Garang died after President Museveni’s helicopter crashed with him on board following a meeting that the two held at the latter’s country home in Rwakitura in western Uganda. All 13 people on board perished.
The interior minister, however, claims that a conspiracy of silence kept the real truth from the public. Yesterday, the Uganda government spokesman Kirunda Kivejinja said, “[Aleu] should tell us who murdered [Garang] so that we know.” He added that if Mr Aleu knows of a better method of discovering the truth he should come forward.
Mr Aleu was a member of the Sudanese group that was part of the international team that investigated the crash. Uganda was also represented on the team that had experts from the United States.
According to him, Garang was asked by Mr Bakri Hassan Saleh, the Sudanese presidential affairs minister, to use the official presidential plane for his flight to Uganda. Mr Aleu claims the organisers of Garang’s meeting, which included the Ugandan government and “three western ambassadors”, convinced the Sudan establishment that they would provide him with transportation. He did not name the ambassadors.
One of the questions heavily debated in the aftermath of the helicopter crash, which also claimed the lives of the Ugandan crew and Garang’s guards, is why the president of South Sudan and also first vice president of Sudan, did not fly an official aircraft as protocol requires. No explanation has been offered. He was just weeks old as Sudanese VP when he died.
Mr Aleu says that while the international report into Garang’s death cited pilot error as the main reason for the helicopter crash, in truth matters were far worse. “The information that was presented to our committee indicates that the pilot [Col. Peter Nyakairu] was previously demoted from his military ranks one day before piloting the plane carrying Dr. John Garang,” Mr Aleu told the paper.
He says the committee, however, did not look into the circumstances under which Nyakairu had been allegedly demoted but instead says there was evidence that he was at odds with his flight crew. For example, the pilot allegedly disagreed with his crew after the helicopter was airborne.
Public information, however, shows that Nyakairu was not demoted but promoted well before the tragedy, a fact that could cast doubt on some of Mr Aleu’s allegations. That Mr Aleu is claiming foul play is not new. President Museveni first cast doubt on the accident theory just days after the fatal crash. He said he could not rule out the role of “external factors”.
Last year, when a Shs7 billion cheque from the National Insurance Corporation was paid out as compensation money to the government, sources close to the presidency told this newspaper that Mr Museveni was still unconvinced that his comrade Garang died as a result of an accident.
President Museveni and Garang first met as politically inclined students in the late 1960s at the University of Dar es Salaam. Some of Mr Aleu’s allegations have a familiar ring. He claims in the interview that the helicopter was not airworthy adding that some Ugandan security agents were inexplicably on board.
His other claims are, however, fresh and cast a long shadow on Garang’s death. Mr Aleu claims that the real presidential chopper was switched with another plane which explains the poor condition of the helicopter that crashed.
According to him, when parts of the helicopter were examined by analysts in Moscow it was discovered that the aircraft’s designations did not match those of the presidential chopper.
“We found out that the machine numbers were not compatible with the so-called presidential number and that number AF, 605 differs from the presidential number’s main rotor burp 8-1930-000821-5387,” he says.
According to Mr Aleu, the pilot’s assistant, in a recorded conversation during the flight, seemed unsure of the plane’s details. “Sometimes he said UK747 [instead of UK757]. The other plane was holding number ATCO-AF-605118:2. The plane that had crashed does not hold number 096112 (1997 Russian 02/07/05)”.
Mr Aleu claims that the chopper that crashed belonged to the Ugandan military and that when this alleged fact came to light some on his committee limited the investigation to “mechanical failure”. He said when he attempted to verify the identity of the “two helicopters”, he was blocked by Kampala. “Ugandan authorities refused to allow me to look at the grounded plane [at Entebbe] which was the presidential chopper,” he told Akhbar Alyoum. Not long ago, Ms Rebecca Nyandeng, Garang’s widow, claimed her husband was a victim of a murder plot.
“At the back of my mind, I knew my husband was assassinated,” Ms Nyandeng said in an interview in Nairobi. She did not name the assassins. Daily Monitor could not reach her on phone by press time. An assistant said she was in South Africa for treatment. Neither could we reach Mr Lam Akol, a southern Sudanese who is the foreign minister of Sudan in power-sharing deal with SPLM/A.
Officially, the South Sudan government has accepted the conclusion that it was pilot error that led to Garang’s death. Mr Ali Sadiq, Khartoum’s foreign affairs ministry spokesperson, yesterday declined to comment on Mr Aleu’s claims.
In an interview with the Daily Nation about Ms Nyandeng’s claims of assassination, President Salva Kiir of South Sudan said that he was satisfied with the final report by investigators.
“I was with her when the report was presented but she did not raise any of the statements she is now making,” Mr Kiir said.
In a recent reshuffle, Mr Kiir dropped Ms Nyandeng as minister and retained her only as an advisor. Two years after Garang’s death, Mr Aleu suggests his ghost will only rest with an international criminal investigation. “Garang was killed by people who he thought were his friends,” Mr Aleu concluded. Mr John Nasasira, the minister of works and transport who also chaired the crash investigation committee, cast doubt on the credibility of the Arabic paper interview.
“I do not know if the minister was interviewed or even quoted rightly ,” he said yesterday. Dr John Garang de Mabior’s death led to riots in South Sudanese towns where he was a hero to many. |
شكرا الاخ جعفر جنى
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Re: ماذا لو كانت أوغندا متورطة!! (Re: Hussein Mallasi)
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بس لو الله قدر و قدرنا نتأكد من انو امريكا متورطة في سقوط طائرة الشهيد قرنق؛ فحينها استطيع أن اجزم أن السيد ياسر عرمان عضو المجلس الوطني السابق حيواصل تعليمو في بلد آخر غير أمريكا.
____ و خلي أمريكا تخم و تصر!
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Re: ماذا لو كانت أوغندا متورطة!! (Re: Hussein Mallasi)
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أخي / حسين ... سلامات
هنالك الكثير المثير ... فقط لنربط بعض الوقائع .. أولاً علاقات يوغندا القبلية (المتداخلة ) مع الإستوائية .. ثانياً علاقات القبائل الإستوائية .. مع القبائل النيلية ...
أخي / حسين ... هنالك في الجنوب أيضأ الكثير من المسكوت عنه ...
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