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12-18-2010, 01:07 PM

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ويكيليكس: الرئيس السوداني عمر البشير "سرق مليارات الدولارات"

    اتهم لويس مورينو أوكامبو مدعي المحكمة الجنائية الدولية الرئيس السوداني عمر البشير باختلاس مبالغ تصل إلى 9 مليار دولار من أموال الدولة وإيداعها في حسابات أجنبية، وفقا لمراسلات دبلوماسية أمريكية سربها موقع ويكيليكس.

    وتقول الوثائق المسربة والتي نشرت في صحيفة الجارديان البريطانية إن دبلوماسيين قد نقلوا عن المدعي العام للمحكمة الجنائية قوله إن الجزء الأكبر من هذه المبالغ قد يكون أودع في بنوك بالعاصمة البريطانية لندن.
                  

12-18-2010, 01:27 PM

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Re: ويكيليكس: الرئيس السوداني عمر البشير "سرق مليارات الدولارات" (Re: اكرام الصادق الحسن)

    وينقل تقرير عن دبلوماسي أمريكي قوله "اقترح أوكامبو أنه إذا ما تم الكشف عن الأموال المسروقة (وقدر المبلغ بنحو 9 مليار دولار) فستغير فكرة الرأي العام السوداني عنه من 'مناضل' إلى لص".


    "أراد تغيير الرأي العام السوداني عن البشير من مكافح إلى لص"

    وجاء في البرقية أيضا "قال أوكامبو إن بنك لويدز في لندن قد يكون لديه الأموال أو على علم بمكان وجودها".

    ورد لويدز بالقول إنه "ليس لديه أي دليل على وجود أموال لديه باسم البشير".

    وقال البنك "ليس لدينا دليل البتة على وجود علاقة بين مجموعة مصارف لويدز والبشير. وسياسة المجموعة هي التقيد بالالتزامات القانونية والتنظيمية في جميع مناحي عملنا".

    ويقول مسؤولون إنه إذا ما كان ما قاله أوكامبو حول ثروة البشير صحيحا فإن الأموال التي ستكون مودعة في لندن تشكل عُشر الناتج الإجمالي المحلي للبلاد
                  

12-18-2010, 01:30 PM

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12-18-2010, 03:22 PM

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12-18-2010, 03:48 PM

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    Quote:
    WikiLeaks cables recount allegations that Sudanese president Omar al-Bashir has personally profited from Sudan's oil boom while his country remains one of the world's poorest. Photograph: Phillip Dhill/EPA/Corbis

    Omar al-Bashir, the Sudanese president, has siphoned as much as $9bn out of his impoverished country, and much of it may be stashed in London banks, according to secret US diplomatic cables that recount conversations with the chief prosecutor of the international criminal court.

    Some of the funds may be held by the part-nationalised Lloyds Banking Group, according to prosecutor, Luis Moreno-Ocampo, who told US officials it was time to go public with the scale of Bashir's theft in order to turn Sudanese public opinion against him.

    "Ocampo suggested if Bashir's stash of money were disclosed (he put the figure at $9bn), it would change Sudanese public opinion from him being a 'crusader' to that of a thief," one report by a senior US official states. "Ocampo reported Lloyds bank in London may be holding or knowledgeable of the whereabouts of his money," the cable says. "Ocampo suggested exposing Bashir had illegal accounts would be enough to turn the Sudanese against him."

    Lloyds responded by saying it had no evidence of holding funds in Bashir's name. "We have absolutely no evidence to suggest there is any connection between Lloyds Banking Group and Mr Bashir. The group's policy is to abide by the legal and regulatory obligations in all jurisdictions in which we operate."

    Details of the allegations emerge in the latest batch of leaked embassy cables released by WikiLeaks which reveal that:

    • US officials regard European human rights standards as an "irritant", criticising the Council of Europe for its stance on secret rendition of terror suspects.

    • Diplomats believe judges in the war crimes trial of the Liberian ex-president Charles Taylor have been deliberately causing delays to ensure the only African judge is presiding when the verdict is delivered.

    The cables were released as the WikiLeaks editor-in-chief, Julian Assange, accused the US of mounting an aggressive, illegal investigation against him. "I would say that there is a very aggressive investigation, that a lot of face has been lost by some people, and some people have careers to make by pursuing famous cases, but that is actually something that needs monitoring," he told reporters outside the mansion on the Norfolk/Suffolk border where he is staying while on bail.

    Assange has repeatedly asserted that he is the victim of a smear campaign. The Guardian today publishes the first full account of the allegations made against him by two Swedish women based on previously unseen police documents.

    If Ocampo's claim about Bashir's fortune is correct, Sudanese funds being held in London banks amount to one tenth of annual GDP in Sudan, which ranks fifteenth from bottom in the UN's index of the world's poorest countries. Ocampo discussed evidence of the stash with the Americans just days after issuing an arrest warrant for the Sudanese president in March 2009, the first issued by the court against a serving head of state. Bashir was indicted for seven counts of war crimes and crimes against humanity last year with a further three counts of genocide added in July. Ocampo, who has never released details of the alleged funds, was severely criticised for the indictment by many in Sudan and internationally amid criticisms the move would inflame fighting in the southern Darfur region.

    Despite the humanitarian crisis in Sudan, Bashir has remained popular among many others in the country, particularly those who have benefited from the oil boom brought about during his presidency. A spokesperson for the Sudanese government dismissed the claim, describing it as further evidence of the ICC's political agenda in discrediting the Sudanese government.

    "To claim that the president can control the treasury and take money to put into his own accounts is ludicrous – it is a laughable claim by the ICC prosecutor," said Dr Khalid al-Mubarak, government spokesperson at the Sudanese embassy in London. "Ocampo is a maverick, and this is just part of his political agenda. He has failed miserably in all his cases and has refused to investigate Iraq or Gaza – he needs success and he has targeted Bashir to increase his own importance."

    "Attempts to smear not only Bashir but Sudan as a whole are well known, and are clearly linked with anti-Arab sentiments and Islamophobia," Mubarak added.

    But experts said that if confirmed, the funds could have big implications for victims of human rights abuses in the county. Richard Dicker, head of international justice at Human Rights Watch, said: "If Bashir were to be tried and convicted, these funds could not just be frozen, but used as a source of reparations for victims … [of] horrific crimes in Darfur."

    Robert Palmer, a campaigner at anti-corruption organisation Global Witness, said: "$9bn may sound like an inconceivably large amount of money for the president of Sudan to control. But we have uncovered evidence of substantial funds being held in a European bank by an oil-rich country in the past, where the head of state had a worrying level of personal control over the funds. In Sudan's case, the figure is almost the same amount as has been transferred from north to south Sudan under the oil revenue sharing part of the comprehensive peace agreement since 2005."

    In a remarkable series of exchanges, the cables also reveal how Sudan's mineral wealth had a direct bearing on the ICC proceedings against Bashir, as China balked at action against him that could harm its interests in the oil industry. "Ocampo said China, as long as it continues to have oil concessions in Sudan, does not care what happens to Bashir," one cable states.

    In another cable dated March 2008, a senior French official noted "growing Chinese concern about possible north-south fissures in Sudan and the possibility that its oil interests could be threatened".

    "The Chinese were beginning to see more clearly that Sudan's behaviour towards Darfur and Chad could only increase the possibility of a north-south rupture will a possibly severe effect on China's stake in the oil sector,' the French are reported to have said.

    In return, the Chinese expressed "puzzlement" that the French – a member of the ICC and able to influence the deferral of proceedings against Bashir – supported Ocampo's decision to pursue the Sudanese president, given France's oil interests in the region. "[The Chinese] observed French companies have oil interests in Sudan as well as Chad," the Americans stated.

    France ultimately supported Bashir's indictment, but the cables suggest this was deliberately calculated to protect their oil interests. The French told the Americans they believed that firm action on Darfur was the only way to protect oil interests.

    Both French firm Total and China, through affiliates of its state-owned China Petroleum and Chemical Corporation, have substantial oil concessions in Sudan, which currently produces 500,000 barrels of crude oil per day .

    "It is ironic that China, which postures as a friend of the people's in the developing world couldn't give a damn about the suffering of hundreds of thousands of African victims in Darfur," said Dicker. "I'm not surprised that China is putting its oil interests above the interests of humanity in seeing that these crimes of enormous concern are adjudicated, but I think it will rebound to China's discredit," Dicker added.Speculation that Bashir may have deposited billions in oil money in foreign accounts is likely to add to demands for his arrest and transparency in Sudan's oil sector."The arm of the law, when it comes to this type of crime, committed by or alleged to have been committed by ######### of state or ######### of government, has gotten longer," said Dicker. "There is a long road to trial in The Hague, but what's striking is a number of other ######### of state and ######### of government have wound up in court much to their surprise through often lengthy and circuitous pathways."


    الخبر في الغارديان
                  

12-18-2010, 03:54 PM

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    RolyPolyBird
    17 December 2010 9:34PM
    My God. Do they not have regulations in place to stop this sort of thing?

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    | Link Strummered
    17 December 2010 9:38PM
    I would suggest a thorough investigation and audit could be in order - but eh? The whole system is swamped, sorry laundered.

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    | Link Blackadder2
    17 December 2010 9:38PM
    At least someone trusts our banks!

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    | Link oriel1000
    17 December 2010 9:40PM
    When will we start acting on the information leaked in these cables?

    It seems Julian Assange has become the story, and we are losing sight of the injustices that these cables bring to light.

    If we defend Julian Assange, we have to defend Bradley Manning and the millions of people impacted by the greed and corruption exposed by Wikileaks.

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    | Link YeoldGeezer
    17 December 2010 9:40PM
    crimes against humanity

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    | Link micifuca
    17 December 2010 9:41PM
    All governments are the same.

    They do not care about people, which is both sad and stupid; with empowerished people no state can be strong, as we are witnessing now.

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    | Link icebjorn
    17 December 2010 9:46PM
    My God. Do they not have regulations in place to stop this sort of thing?

    If you mean regulations to prevent the exposure of this type of thing, yes we are working on that here in the US.

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    | Link nickmavros
    17 December 2010 9:46PM
    "WikiLeaks cables: Sudanese president 'stashed $9bn in UK banks'"

    Whoa! You're joking - aren't you? Do you mean to say that there wasn't a single MP that was not aware of this? Do you mean to say that the greedy bankers turned a blind eye to these deposits? I believe that no one knew - then again, perhaps I am just excessively naive, or is that me just being sarcastic!

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    | Link Kritik
    17 December 2010 9:47PM
    This proves once again that people have the right to know the dirty secrets of their governments and corporations. I hope there's a full investigation and a case is launched by the people of Sudan to have that money returned. Shame on these banks for accepting blood money!

    Can the African Union & Arab League honestly continue to stand by this thief and murderer? Shame on them too!

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    | Link quatra
    17 December 2010 9:47PM
    Do UK banks also have a bank secret? Confiscate the money and give it to the Irish.

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    | Link hugatoryhugsnotvotes
    17 December 2010 9:49PM
    Yes, but think of the all tax it will have made the treasury! wait. actually, on second thoughts, don't.

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    | Link NiiT
    17 December 2010 9:50PM
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    hieros
    17 December 2010 9:50PM
    odd how they can do the guy in Peckham for stolen goods,
    but banks seem exempt from receiving stolen money

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    | Link JoeNobody
    17 December 2010 9:50PM
    AND we give them 100,000,000 a year to squander.

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    | Link Vacation
    17 December 2010 9:52PM
    Come on everyone knows all small county leaders are stealing from the people. That's why they want to be the dictator or leader. Even in large countrys this happens, but in a more concealed fashion.

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    | Link Pixelbob
    17 December 2010 9:55PM
    @oriel1000

    "When will we start acting on the information leaked in these cables?

    It seems Julian Assange has become the story, and we are losing sight of the injustices that these cables bring to light.

    If we defend Julian Assange, we have to defend Bradley Manning and the millions of people impacted by the greed and corruption exposed by Wikileaks."


    Couldn't agree more! All these articles being released.... Shell.... BP.....Pfizer....Sudan.... but will anything major actually change over all this?

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    | Link bionicjules
    17 December 2010 9:57PM
    In reply to oriel1000, I wouldn't hold your breath.
    World leaders who make a public stand against injustice are notoriously few and far between.
    One notable exception is French President Sarkozy. He gave the Ivory Coast president, who just lost an election, a week to stand down, or face sanctions from the international community.

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    | Link stephan0
    17 December 2010 9:57PM
    How Ocampo discuss this case with the US who are not even signatory of the International Criminal Court. shame no??

    Ocampo must resign immediatlty

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    | Link myfellowprisoners
    17 December 2010 9:58PM
    Lloyds responded by saying it had no evidence of holding funds in Bashir's name. "We have absolutely no evidence to suggest there is any connection between Lloyds Banking Group and Mr Bashir."

    Yes, because of course he stashed it in his own name. With a passport photocopy as ID. And when they asked for a second form of ID he handed over the warrant from the International Criminal Court for his arrest on charges of genocide.
    I'd have more respect for them if they just answered: "We don't give a ####, to be honest, we just like money, and you've got to admit, he had a lot."

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    | Link stephan0
    17 December 2010 9:58PM
    many thaks to the Guardian staff.God bless you all for this job.

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    | Link BarkingMad
    17 December 2010 9:59PM
    Lloyds responded by saying it had no evidence of holding funds in Bashir's name. "We have absolutely no evidence to suggest there is any connection between Lloyds Banking Group and Mr Bashir. The group's policy is to abide by the legal and regulatory obligations in all jurisdictions in which we operate."

    Nurse, my sides! Pass the needle and thread.

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    17 December 2010 9:59PM
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    larsp
    17 December 2010 10:03PM
    jesus ! how much money does one man & his fat ####### family need?

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    17 December 2010 10:04PM
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    GetOffTheStage
    17 December 2010 10:06PM
    Lulz...any chance AT ALL a banker can be arrested over this?

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    | Link CurlyScot
    17 December 2010 10:06PM
    Definitely an important revelation, especially if it turns out to be true. One of the reasons Bashir was so popular with the Sudanese I met was that they were convinced of his honesty, the fact he wasn't corrupt like so many of the governments around him, and that he had the countries best interests at heart.

    Unfortunately, given the scepticism I met with regards the ICC's impartiality, and specifically Ocampo, who was vilified by everyone I talked to, even those not too fond of Bashir, it seems unlikely these allegations will be believed in Sudan.

    I wonder how this could be proved so the Sudanese will believe the evidence instead of seeing it as Western propaganda?

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    | Link Clunie
    17 December 2010 10:07PM
    Lloyds involved in money-laundering?
    Surely not...

    hieros: When it's thousands it's a crime, when it's billions it's business - same old same old.

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    | Link myfellowprisoners
    17 December 2010 10:09PM
    Politics of envy nonsense. This is typically socialist criticism of the magnificent wealth-creator Omar al-Bashir, who has provided so many jobs in the rape, mutilation and murder industries. If you keep at him like this, he might decide to up sticks and leave, taking all his investments and jobs with him to a country that respects dynamic entrepreneurs and the contributions they make to their societies.

    Is that what you want to happen, you economically illiterate Guardian lefties?

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    | Link WeAreTheWorld
    17 December 2010 10:09PM
    Wait, hold on, so you're basically saying that Third world dictators can store their money in European bank accounts?

    Since when? This is surprising.

    That's because Europeans have always been against dictatorships in all their forms. Dictators never bank with them, and Europeans also never hold on to the money of Genocide victims either.

    This doesn't make any sense.

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    | Link larsp
    17 December 2010 10:12PM
    by the way, shouldn't he rank in the top 400 of Forbes' wealthy list?
    what other 3rd world head of states are on that list, or is this another failure of US media to report

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    | Link fierges
    17 December 2010 10:14PM
    Again, thank you Guardian staff for hanging in there. Just how long we can rely on your ability to be so open, with political grip and external muscle. Keep providing a way of revealing the leaks that we MUST face. We always did know things were bad, but the facts, the knowledge is power, now we are empowered, it is up to us to ensure that transparency and accountability is part of the service our representatives provide to their electorate, their people, their customers. Manning and Assange and the others who have worked to let us know these findings must not be let down by us. I hope the British Library is providing copies for posterity, the Public Library system ordering multiple searchable copies for all libraries and Wikileaks a space in very university, and school syllabus. Keep the doors open for whistleblowers. Dr Kelly did not die in vain, if we tackle this responsibly.

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    | Link EvelynTremble
    17 December 2010 10:19PM
    oh, for Christ's sake

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    | Link Characters
    17 December 2010 10:19PM
    Given that such troubling information has come to light, how about we act on such information and hold those who need to be held to account, to account. This farce of pursuing Assange is nothing but a troubling smokescreen shamefully sheltering many disturbing injustices.

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    | Link stephan0
    17 December 2010 10:21PM
    Le monde newspaper is not doing enough about North africa like the Guardian .Le monde newspaper is too slow , maybe some "technical problems" in revealing the cables????. who knows??we will see ....

    Viva the Guardian and El Pais

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    | Link idiocr4cy
    17 December 2010 10:23PM
    When will we start acting on the information leaked in these cables?

    For all the great things internet has brought us, it has sadly made activism a passive venture. We post comments on guardian, vote on a story, share news with our friends on facebook. It gives us the illusion that we have acted upon these stories. It's instant satisfaction at the touch of a button.

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    | Link Clunie
    17 December 2010 10:26PM
    WeAreTheWorld: Don't worry, the US banks haven't been left behind in laundering dirty money either - we know you'd hate to feel left out. It's a global kinda thing.

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    | Link Carlazi
    17 December 2010 10:27PM
    Freeze and use to pay student fees. Thank you veyr much Mr #######!

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    | Link Clunie
    17 December 2010 10:30PM
    idiocr4cy:

    For all the great things internet has brought us, it has sadly made activism a passive venture. We post comments on guardian, vote on a story, share news with our friends on facebook. It gives us the illusion that we have acted upon these stories. It's instant satisfaction at the touch of a button.

    Not necessarily - UK Uncut are organising and publicising real offline activism online, and they're certainly not alone. I believe a lot of the students who protested in the past few weeks organised online too. The internet's what we make it, like any other communication tool.

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    | Link grahamereaper
    17 December 2010 10:32PM
    Hmmm,#we have to be nice to him cos if he pulls his money out (big....very big suitcase) he can "cut LLoyds off at the knees"

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    | Link ontheholodeck
    17 December 2010 10:36PM
    Western banks are so willing to stash stolen money, the governments so happy to collect tax on the interest that accrues. Someone needs to remind them (especially when they shout loudly about corrupt 3rd world leaders) that the friend of a thief is a thief.

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    | Link surfdoctor
    17 December 2010 10:37PM
    Africa's been a travisty since the war in 1945.

    I wouldn't belive this story until they show the cash, there's an election coming up in Sudan , everything so far on wikileaks diplomatic cables seams a bit to convenient for American foreign policy.

    Corruption in Africa is a travisty. Our Western corporations and Governements support it to protect their interests. More transparency is the answer, and maybe solve the problem why a million people starve to death or are murdered in silence whilst the capacity of the world to support life has never been greater.

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    | Link KiwiJack
    17 December 2010 10:39PM
    Charge the ####### bankers with receiving.

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    | Link Swigfaced
    17 December 2010 10:45PM
    Oil, money and power, nothing else matters.



    France ultimately supported Bashir's indictment, but the cables suggest this was deliberately calculated to protect their oil interests. The French told the Americans they believed that firm action on Darfur was the only way to protect oil interests.

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    | Link noun
    17 December 2010 10:51PM
    @NiiT

    It take two to tango....does it not?

    “The US/UK must ask itself what money was used back then to …build the high skyline of Miami. They didn’t complain then, did they? They would have kept quiet if their nations were being used as a drug transit point and we were using instead”

    I'm glad you raised this point, NiiT: I was living on the west coast a few years ago, and wanted to take a vacation somewhere unusual and exotic. One place I was considering was La Paz, Bolivia. When I started to investigate flights, I found that you couldn't fly there direct from airports on the west coast: all the flights were routed through Miami. It turned out that there were lots of scheduled direct flights going from Miami to La Paz and back, every single day. Almost as if it were a regular business route or something....

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    | Link TeddyFrench
    17 December 2010 10:51PM
    Good God. Stop these wikileaks now. It could play havoc with my bank shares.

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    | Link NoddyMe
    17 December 2010 10:54PM
    Same old story - nothing new.....

    everyone out to get as much as possible for himself whilst his country people starve.... I guess that £9 bill must also include all the money I have ever donated in the name of helping the starving children in the Sudan...

    I have often wondered what happened to the millions we donate to Africa, yet there is little or no apparent progress... Now we know...!

    So, I agree this man should be tried for crimes against his own people...

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    | Link emma2001
    17 December 2010 10:55PM
    9 billion in uk banks well done to him

    Makes a change

    Most of the rich go off shore not to pay UK tax

    The scum who cant pay for our hospitals/schools and old age pensions

    Emma

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    | Link spiceof
    17 December 2010 10:56PM
    9 billion pounds? These tin top characters were once quite happy to pocket a few million, it's now rocketed to billions! Well, I guess he just has to keep up with all the other mafiosi billionaires living in London, bet you'll see him down Kensington High St. within a couple of years.

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    | Link anAfriKaanSknowman
    17 December 2010 10:57PM
    I would not be in the least surprised if the claims made by the Americans in are 100% true.

    Of all western nations, the UK has the softest line on "white collar" crime. This applies equally to crimes committed against the UK population as well as against other nationals. Corrupt leaders from my continent know that they can safely retire to the UK as long as they bring their money with them.

    The message has always been clear - London welcomes your money, the British state will guarante your safety, just make sure you bring your money with you.

    That why the place is, for example, full of those Russian oligarchs.

    At one time It was said that Mugabe at bought a castle in Scotland. Given the diamond find in Zimbabwe I would not be at all surprised that a "settlement" of sorts, under which he would receives sanctuary in the UK is arrived at soon.

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    | Link Shakhtar
    17 December 2010 10:58PM
    according to secret US diplomatic cables that recount conversations with the chief prosecutor of the international criminal court.

    The Wikileaks cables are inherently biased in that they are based on the dishonest and deceptive observations of the U.S. foreign policy establishment. If the Guardian wants to humiliate President al-Bashir, then it's going to need convincing evidence in the form of classifed documentation from the Sudanese Government. Many of these leaks amount to nothing but psychological warfare against countries that stand up to imperialist bullying. As can be seen from the fabricated charges of "genocide" in Darfur, neither U.S. diplomats nor the charlatan called Ocampo are reliable when it comes to analyzing Sudanese affairs.

    The allegations against such independent counries as China, Iran, or Sudan are absolutely worthless. The only areas where the Wikileaks releases bear credibility are those that concern the policies and actions of the U.S. Government, particularly war crimes by U.S. soldiers in Iraq and Washington's violations of Pakistan's sovereignty.

    Shame on the Guardian for such defamatory reporting.

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    | Link JoSlow
    17 December 2010 10:58PM
    Sudanese president corrupt? the customs man, the taxi driver and the hotel receptionist was on the make in the first hour i was there - and i'm supposed to be surprised.

    C'mon Jules, geeza nooztori. When your paymasters let you, maybe.

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    | Link kbg541
    17 December 2010 10:59PM
    Maybe we should take it off him and use it to fund our HE education system?

    As long as we keep it quiet on CiF no-one will notice.

    (Doh!)

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    | Link SecretSkivver
    17 December 2010 11:00PM
    "micifuca 17 December 2010 9:41PM
    All governments are the same.

    They do not care about people, which is both sad and stupid; with empowerished people no state can be strong, as we are witnessing now."

    How can you say that? The official was reporting US concerns about Chinese indifference and manipulation. Maybe you are the one who is 'sad and stupid'.

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    | Link NiiT
    17 December 2010 11:01PM
    It does afterall take two to tango. This suspected but worrying Western connivance in African corruption indicates that perhaps the national interests of “Western” countries and China take precedence over the activities of corrupt African leaders. That to some extent may be understanderble as most leaders are voted into power to protect thier country’s interest, especially abroad. However, it is abhorrent to push what is morally right aside in whilst, often the a large doze of hypocricy, “screwing” other people up. It is loathsome to turn a blind eye whilst the like of Bashir stash thier stolen wealth into Western banks.

    Whilst ordinary Africans suffer and see very little return on thier immense natural resources, the usual criticism of Africa by the West is increasingly turning out to be mere “lip service”.

    The plethora of live aid type concerts, sanctions against “corrupt regimes” and constant publications of corruption tables, always invariably putting African countries at the bottom is beggining to look rather bogus and phoney.

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    17 December 2010 11:01PM
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    hsutreal
    17 December 2010 11:02PM
    bionicjules
    17 December 2010 9:57PM
    I


    One notable exception is French President Sarkozy. He gave the Ivory Coast president, who just lost an election, a week to stand down, or face sanctions from the international community.

    You don't mean this Sarkozy do you?

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    | Link Insirgentz
    17 December 2010 11:02PM
    " I guess that £9 bill must also include all the money I have ever donated in the name of helping the starving children in the Sudan..."

    You're being unfair on Bashir, noddyme. £9 billion is much more than $9 billion

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    | Link annamarinakors
    17 December 2010 11:08PM
    The authorities were quite agile with Assange and WikiLeaks accounts. Should not we expect the same agility with regard to the UK banks? Some real help from the Crown Prosecution Service?

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    | Link hsutreal
    17 December 2010 11:10PM
    larsp
    17 December 2010 10:03PM

    jesus ! how much money does one man & his fat ####### family need?

    Well Tony is still madly grasping so I guess about $9bn.

    Come to think of it Tony does seem to take an unusually big interest in Africa. Go for it Guardian.

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    | Link goto
    17 December 2010 11:12PM
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    iammeatface
    17 December 2010 11:17PM
    What the ######## is wrong with you all? Didn't you know, or suspect, that these filthy underhand dealings have been taking place throughout your life, and the generations and centuries before you. Did you trust politicians? Did you think that multinational corporations desire to give you an ethically sourced product, that productivity is secondary to morality? Perhaps you think that wars are a crusade for justice, that mankind is inherently good, that we are in pursuit of a utopian ideology where all are equal. And then this wikileaks comes along, and destroys the foundations of your poorly constructed belief structure. Grow up, for fucks sake. Mankind is a savage race, wikileaks has not exposed anything that a fully functioning mind could not easily divulge .

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    | Link kiawilliams
    17 December 2010 11:20PM
    @ Shaktar, umm.. if you don't realise that the cables are American view on issues.. and are reported as 'The US cables', then, your problem.
    To get sudanese gov documents, there needs to be a leak.

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    | Link grumpyoldman
    17 December 2010 11:21PM
    WeAreTheWorld
    17 December 2010 10:09PM

    Europeans also never hold on to the money of Genocide victims either.

    Still banging your anti-European tin drum I see.

    Of course American banks would never do anything so dastardly would they.

    I mean, Wachovia and BOA wouldn't launder drug cartel money would they?

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    | Link Lalongcarabine
    17 December 2010 11:21PM
    To become a leader, in so many of the worlds nations, is simply to acquire a licence to commit larceny on a grand scale, and cause all sort of mayhem and madness at a whim. Between such leaders and the financiers of the world, is there any wonder that we are all going to Hell in a Hand cart?!

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    | Link Brobat
    17 December 2010 11:26PM

    Omar al-Bashir, the Sudanese president, has siphoned as much as $9bn out of his impoverished country, and much of it may be stashed in London banks, according to secret US diplomatic cables that recount conversations with the chief prosecutor of the international criminal court

    No wonder the buggers want a bonus

    No wonder the Govt wants to leave well alone

    Otherwise, all that talent will leave the country.

    Right, I've got that.

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    | Link Unusedname
    17 December 2010 11:27PM
    Daily regurgitation of Wikileaks stuff, dressed up with headlines and an "All the Presidents men" aspirational graphics style hardly qualifies as investigative journalism.

    Lazy half-baked reporting maybe a better description. The front page of the Grauaniad has come to resemble the comic-book look of the Independent.

    Just how many more weeks do they think they can get away with this feeble journalism one wonders.

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    | Link SackBlabbath
    17 December 2010 11:29PM
    "Bank doesn't question whose money its holding" shocker.

    Clearly this man has a lot to answer for to his people. But the UK does, too? Get real.

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    | Link SackBlabbath
    17 December 2010 11:30PM
    *it's

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    | Link TVwriter
    17 December 2010 11:32PM
    @Shakhtar


    The allegations against such independent counries as China, Iran, or Sudan are absolutely worthless. The only areas where the Wikileaks releases bear credibility are those that concern the policies and actions of the U.S. Government, particularly war crimes by U.S. soldiers in Iraq and Washington's violations of Pakistan's sovereignty.


    What an objective view.

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    | Link TrojanHorace
    17 December 2010 11:37PM
    And we own the banks... so um let's give it all to charity organisations nominated by George Clooney and stop the next war happening there. Any sensible reason why our politicians won't do it other than that they have latex spines?

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    | Link WorldLocal
    17 December 2010 11:38PM
    If you easily spend more than a trillion dollars a year for wars (like in Afghanistan) how many do you think going under the table. US surely know sums and values, but why should they uncover that? This is a way of control.

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    | Link danielwaweru
    17 December 2010 11:39PM
    @myfellowprisoners,

    Politics of envy nonsense. This is typically socialist criticism of the magnificent wealth-creator Omar al-Bashir, who has provided so many jobs in the rape, mutilation and murder industries. If you keep at him like this, he might decide to up sticks and leave, taking all his investments and jobs with him to a country that respects dynamic entrepreneurs and the contributions they make to their societies.

    Is that what you want to happen, you economically illiterate Guardian lefties?

    You win the internet.

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    | Link danielwaweru
    17 December 2010 11:43PM
    @WeAreTheWorld,

    Riggs Bank ring a bell? Equatorial Guinea? You know, the country ruled by this guy, whom your former Secretary of State publicly called 'a good friend'?

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    | Link giveusaclue
    17 December 2010 11:51PM
    Shick horror - African President is corrupt and takes money which should go to help his destitute people for himself.

    Now tell us something new.
                  


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