كيدهن عظيم : هل أوشت زوجة أُسامة بن لادن به للمخابرات الأمريكية؟

كيدهن عظيم : هل أوشت زوجة أُسامة بن لادن به للمخابرات الأمريكية؟


03-11-2012, 05:28 AM


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Post: #1
Title: كيدهن عظيم : هل أوشت زوجة أُسامة بن لادن به للمخابرات الأمريكية؟
Author: Mohamed Abdelmotalib Hassan
Date: 03-11-2012, 05:28 AM



نشرت النيويورك تايمز مقالاً نقلاً عن متقاعد في الجيش الباكستاني أن زوجة بن لادن خيرية صابر أوشت بمكان أسامة بن لادن إنتقاماً من ضرتها آمال أحمد الصداح صغري زوجاته (المفضلة لديه) , حيث كان مقيماً معها بإستمرار في أحدى الغرف , بعد أن ساد جواً من عدم الثقة أدى لتسسم الأجواء داخل المخبأ الذي شهد نهاية دراماتيكية للشيخ العجوز.........

Post: #2
Title: Re: كيدهن عظيم : هل أوشت زوجة أُسامة بن لادن به للمخابرات الأمريكية؟
Author: Mohamed Abdelmotalib Hassan
Date: 03-11-2012, 05:33 AM
Parent: #1

إحدى السلالم المؤدية لغرفة بن لادن في مخبأه :


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Post: #3
Title: Re: كيدهن عظيم : هل أوشت زوجة أُسامة بن لادن به للمخابرات الأمريكية؟
Author: Mohamed Abdelmotalib Hassan
Date: 03-11-2012, 05:39 AM
Parent: #2

Quote:


[March 7, 2012
A Personal Quest to Clarify Bin Laden’s Last Days Yields Vexing Accounts
By DECLAN WALSH
RAWALPINDI, Pakistan — In his quest for the truth about his country’s most notorious guest, Shaukat Qadir started where it all ended: the room where Osama bin Laden was killed.

Last August, Mr. Qadir, a retired Pakistani Army brigadier, retraced the steps of the American commandos who stormed through the corridors of Bin Laden’s hide-out on May 2.

Climbing the stairs to the second floor, Mr. Qadir passed a body outline that marked the spot where Bin Laden’s 22-year-old son, Khalid, was shot dead. Then he turned to a small room with a low ceiling, an empty wardrobe and a tight cluster of bullet holes in one wall, he said. Above that, on the ceiling, was a fading splash of blood that, his Pakistani intelligence escort told him, belonged to Bin Laden.

“As a former soldier, I was struck by how badly the house was defended,” Mr. Qadir said in an interview. “No proper security measures, nothing high-tech — in fact, nothing like you would expect.”

Mr. Qadir’s quixotic investigation began as a personal attempt to truth-check the competing accounts of Bin Laden’s last years in Pakistan. But his work has already come under scrutiny and criticism, mostly on the grounds that his heavy reliance on Pakistani military and intelligence sources leaves him open to official manipulation.

At the least, though, the end product — a novella-length report, still officially unpublished — offers tantalizing possibilities about Bin Laden’s circumstances and the suspicions that drove relations between Pakistan and the United States to the brink.

For instance, Mr. Qadir claims that Bin Laden’s fifth and youngest wife, Amal Ahmed al-Sadah, told Pakistani interrogators that her husband underwent a kidney transplant operation in 2002 — a claim that, if proven, could help explain how the ailing Saudi militant was able to survive with a known kidney ailment, but raises questions about who was helping him. He also heard of poisonous mistrust between Bin Laden’s wives. In the cramped Abbottabad house, he was told, tensions erupted between Ms. Sadah, described as “the favored wife,” and Khairiah Saber, an older woman who occupied a separate floor. In interrogation, Ms. Sadah accused her rival of having betrayed their husband to American intelligence.

Bin Laden’s youngest wife also told interrogators that her husband shaved his beard and disguised himself as an ailing Pashtun elder as he leapfrogged between safe houses across northwestern Pakistan, eventually regrowing the beard after finally settling in the Abbottabad house in 2005.

In one sense, Mr. Qadir’s work is an interesting entry in a decade-long parlor game among spies, soldiers and journalists, all guessing the whereabouts and condition of the world’s most wanted fugitive.

Despite Bin Laden’s death, many of the toughest questions remain. Who helped him stay on the run? How did the C.I.A. track him down? And, perhaps most important, did Pakistan’s generals know he was living a stone’s throw from their leading military academy?

Pakistan’s government says the answers will come from an official commission of inquiry, led by a Supreme Court judge, that has been working since May. Yet few believe the Abbottabad Commission, as it is known, will succeed. And at times, the Pakistani government has seemed more interested in moving on than seeking answers: on the night of Feb. 25, the local authorities in Abbottabad sent bulldozers to demolish Bin Laden’s house after nightfall, erasing a painful symbol of an embarrassing episode for the military.

Publication of the commission’s findings, originally scheduled for December, has been repeatedly postponed, and critics of the government smell political pressure to tone down its findings.

Among those who have testified is Mr. Qadir, a 64-year-old former infantry commander. Suspicious of official explanations of Bin Laden’s life and death, Mr. Qadir set out to find his own truth. He embarked on a sleuthing expedition that would last eight months and has left him $10,000 out of pocket. He traveled into the tribal belt and Afghanistan to interview old tribal contacts, and into the hushed headquarters of Pakistani military intelligence agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate, or ISI, in Islamabad, where officials provided briefings.

His army background was crucial: Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, Pakistan’s top commander, approved two visits to Bin Laden’s house; personal connections led to an interview with the ISI brigadier who had interrogated Bin Laden’s three wives.

A former Obama administration official who read the report agreed with some of Mr. Qadir’s findings, like a claim that Bin Laden and his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, suffered serious disagreements that led to Bin Laden’s being pushed to the sidelines. “This divide grew with time, and remained a source of tension until the day Bin Laden died,” the official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity. “His role had been diminished.”

The official was puzzled by the account about Bin Laden’s wives, saying that previous American intelligence reports had indicated that the first wife, Ms. Saber, was the closest to Bin Laden. The C.I.A. has since interrogated both women in Pakistan; Ms. Saber proved to be “defiant, difficult and refused to engage,” the American official said.

Several of the conclusions that Mr. Qadir draws in his report are highly contentious, like a belief that Qaeda operatives betrayed their leader to earn America’s reward money. “They wanted Bin Laden gone, and they wanted a share of the $25 million,” he said. Peter Bergen, a terrorism analyst and author of a forthcoming book on Bin Laden’s last years, called that a “ridiculous” notion.

Mr. Qadir’s report was “larded with strange conspiracies,” Mr. Bergen said, adding that it was indicative of a broader culture of conspiracy theories in Pakistan. “When I was in Abbottabad in July, plenty of people told me Bin Laden didn’t live there. What do you say to that? It’s so untethered from rational discourse,” he said.

Mr. Qadir, for his part, concedes that his conclusions are based on conjecture, and admits that his ISI briefers may have concealed crucial facts. “I’d be a bloody fool if I didn’t see that,” he said. “I don’t say this is the entire truth. But it’s the closest you will get at this point in time.”

Other Pakistani soldiers have also theorized about Bin Laden. Last fall Ziauddin Butt, a former ISI chief, reportedly told a conference that while he was in power, Pakistan’s former military leader, Pervez Musharraf, had been covertly sheltering Bin Laden. Contacted by telephone, Mr. Butt said he had been misquoted but declined to elaborate. Another account that is popular on military message boards claims that Bin Laden was betrayed by a retired Pakistan spy, who has since fled abroad.

One question in particular has stayed at the heart of the mutual distrust between Pakistan and the United States: was the ISI incompetent in failing to spot Bin Laden under its nose, or complicit in his protection?

Muhammad Hanif, a popular Pakistani novelist, recently suggested that the answer was both; Mr. Bergen, the analyst, said it was neither. “Bin Laden was a hyper-paranoid guy who went to extreme lengths to hide himself. Don’t forget that it took the U.S. government 10 years to find him, with huge resources at its disposal. And we had the will to look,” he said.

Several American and Western officials, speaking in Washington and Pakistan on the condition of anonymity, said that the C.I.A. had scanned millions of documents taken from computer disks found in Bin Laden’s house yet found no evidence of official Pakistani support. But for some analysts, that proves nothing.

“There is no smoking gun, but there is also no evidence that firmly rules out complicity,” said Bruce Riedel, a former C.I.A. officer and Obama adviser.

The official verdict will come from the Abbottabad Commission, which on Wednesday heard testimony from the interior minister, Rehman Malik.

But many are skeptical about what will emerge, with at least one commission member having apparently already made up his mind.

Just a few weeks into the commission’s deliberations last July, Nadeem Ahmed, a former general on the panel, told Australian journalists that he had firmly believed “that no intelligence organization in Pakistan would do such a stupid thing” as harbor Bin Laden.

Suggestions to the contrary were the product of an American news media conspiracy, he added. “There is a deliberate design to undermine the security establishment,” he said.

With such high military and political stakes, many Pakistanis believe that the truth will remain as elusive as Bin Laden once was. “You have to ask the right questions to get the right answers,” Mr. Qadir said. “I doubt this report will explain anything to anyone’s satisfaction.”

Salman Masood contributed reporting from Islamabad, Pakistan, and Eric Schmitt from Washington.
A Personal Quest to

Post: #4
Title: Re: كيدهن عظيم : هل أوشت زوجة أُسامة بن لادن به للمخابرات الأمريكية؟
Author: Mohamed Abdelmotalib Hassan
Date: 03-11-2012, 05:44 AM
Parent: #3



وكانت السلطات الباكستانية قد أخضعت زوجات بن لادن لتحقيقات طويلة ومضنية , في محاولة لحفظ ماء الوجه بعد الفضيحة المدوية التي هزت أركان السلطة الباكستانية في أعلى مستوياتها , بعد أن عرف العالم كله أن الرجل المطلوب الأول في العالم كان يختبئ على بعد فراسخ معدودات من مكان إقامة الرئيس الباكستاني , وفي مجمع سكني مخصص لظباط في الجيش الباكساتي ومخابراته وقلة من المتقاعدين..............

Post: #5
Title: Re: كيدهن عظيم : هل أوشت زوجة أُسامة بن لادن به للمخابرات الأمريكية؟
Author: Mohamed Abdelmotalib Hassan
Date: 03-11-2012, 05:56 AM
Parent: #4


تداعيات ذاك التحقيق أسفرت عن أقوال للزوجة الصغرى لبن لادن مفادها أن زوجته الكبرى , والتي كانت تقيم في طابق منفصل عنها وبن لادن , كانت السبب في (عكننة) الأجواء في المنزل , وأنها هي التي خانته وأوشت به إلى المخابرات الأمريكيةإنتقاماً منها , ولكن تبدوا الرواية الباكستانية أبعد عن التصديق , لأن الأخيرة تشعر بهوانها وهوان جهاز إستخباراتها , في محاولة لغمط حق المخابرات الأمريكية , وتصوير الأمر وكأنه محض صدفة ما كان لها أن تكون لولا الأجواء المسمومة التي عمت المخبأ وحولته هو وقاطنيه إلي هشيم , وحولته أيضاً إلى أشهر بقعة في العالم شهدت أكبر عملية إستخباراتية في تاريخ الولايات المتحدة.

غلبتهم الحيلة , لصقوها في الحيطة القصيرة!!!

لكن برضو نقول كيدهن عظيم!!!

Post: #6
Title: Re: كيدهن عظيم : هل أوشت زوجة أُسامة بن لادن به للمخابرات الأمريكية؟
Author: Mohamed Abdelmotalib Hassan
Date: 03-11-2012, 05:58 AM
Parent: #5

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/08/world/asia/...s%20mistrust&st=cse#

Post: #7
Title: Re: كيدهن عظيم : هل أوشت زوجة أُسامة بن لادن به للمخابرات الأمريكية؟
Author: تبارك شيخ الدين جبريل
Date: 03-11-2012, 06:14 AM
Parent: #6

8 مارس القبض على "زوجات" بن لادن الثلاث واتهامهن






... المهم ....

Post: #8
Title: Re: كيدهن عظيم : هل أوشت زوجة أُسامة بن لادن به للمخابرات الأمريكية؟
Author: Mohamed Abdelmotalib Hassan
Date: 03-11-2012, 06:30 AM
Parent: #7


ووفقاً لمقال النيويورك تايمز فإن التحقيق مع صغرى زوجات بن لادن أوضح أن الأخير كان قد أجرى عملية نقل كلية ناجحة , وهو ما عززته الأخبار التي كانت قد شاعت في ذلك الوقت عن تدهور صحة الشيخ العجوز لمعاناته من مرض الكلى , كما أنه كان قد حلق لحيته تماماً في طريقه للمخبأ ثم ما لبث أن أطلقها بعد ذلك لتعود له نفس صورته التي عرفها به العالم بأسره.

Post: #9
Title: Re: كيدهن عظيم : هل أوشت زوجة أُسامة بن لادن به للمخابرات الأمريكية؟
Author: Mohamed Abdelmotalib Hassan
Date: 03-11-2012, 06:15 PM
Parent: #8



وكانت الــ سي آي إيه قد إستجوبت زوجات بن لادن وتحصلوا منهن على معلومات هامة قد تساعدهم في الوصول إلى عناصر أخرى كانت على إتصال ببن لادن , كما أن الـــ سي آي إيه ترغب في الحصول على معلومات حول مدى تورط بعض المسئولين الكبار في باكستان ومساعدتهم له في مخبأه , الأمر الذي دفع الولايات المتحدة بالفعل لأن تضع مصداقية النظام الباكستاني محل تساؤل , والتي كانت بمثابة الصديق المقرب للولايات المتحدة , لكن الأخيرة أصيبت بخيبة أمل كبيرة بعد إكتشاف مخبأ بن لادن القريب جداً من مقر إقامة الرئيس الباكستاني.

Post: #10
Title: Re: كيدهن عظيم : هل أوشت زوجة أُسامة بن لادن به للمخابرات الأمريكية؟
Author: Mohamed Abdelmotalib Hassan
Date: 03-15-2012, 10:04 PM
Parent: #9



ونواصل...........

Post: #11
Title: Re: كيدهن عظيم : هل أوشت زوجة أُسامة بن لادن به للمخابرات الأمريكية؟
Author: Mohamed Abdelmotalib Hassan
Date: 03-16-2012, 03:26 PM
Parent: #10


وكانت بداية الخيط الذي أوصل الــــ سي آي إيه إلى المخبأ الحصين قد بدأت في معتقل غوانتانمو بكوبا عندما تردد إسم أبو أحمد الكويتي كثيراً أثناء التحقيقات مع نزلاء المعتقل , وبصفة اساسية عند التحقيق مع أحد النزلاء من دولة أندونيسيا , من هنا شعر عملاء الإستخبارات الأمريكية أن أبو أحمد الكويتي قد يكون رجلهم الواجب البحث عنه , وقد بدلت الأخيرة من طريقة مطاردتها لأكبر مطلوب في تاريخها (بن لادن) بعد أن تيقنت أن الوصول إلي هدفهم عبر البحث عنه مباشرة ليست بالفكرة المجدية بعد أن فشلت كل المجهودات لعشرات السنين , فحاولت أن تصل إليه عبر المقربين إليه وممن هم على صلة مباشرة به , فوقع الإختيار على أبو أحمد الكويتي.

فمن هو أبو أحمد الكويتي هذا؟ وما هي قصته؟ وما قصة المكالمة الهاتفية التي أجراها أبو أحمد الكويتي والتي قصمت ظهر البعير؟


كونوا معنا.............

Post: #12
Title: Re: كيدهن عظيم : هل أوشت زوجة أُسامة بن لادن به للمخابرات الأمريكية؟
Author: Mohamed Abdelmotalib Hassan
Date: 03-17-2012, 05:31 PM
Parent: #11


Post: #13
Title: Re: كيدهن عظيم : هل أوشت زوجة أُسامة بن لادن به للمخابرات الأمريكية؟
Author: Mohamed Abdelmotalib Hassan
Date: 03-19-2012, 05:20 AM
Parent: #12


Post: #14
Title: Re: كيدهن عظيم : هل أوشت زوجة أُسامة بن لادن به للمخابرات الأمريكية؟
Author: Mohamed Abdelmotalib Hassan
Date: 03-22-2012, 04:21 PM
Parent: #13


Post: #15
Title: Re: كيدهن عظيم : هل أوشت زوجة أُسامة بن لادن به للمخابرات الأمريكية؟
Author: Mohamed Abdelmotalib Hassan
Date: 03-26-2012, 02:37 AM
Parent: #14