How We Denied Democracy to the Middle East- By ROBERT FISK

How We Denied Democracy to the Middle East- By ROBERT FISK


11-11-2003, 05:48 AM


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Post: #1
Title: How We Denied Democracy to the Middle East- By ROBERT FISK
Author: إيمان أحمد
Date: 11-11-2003, 05:48 AM
Parent: #0

Looney Toons in Rummyworld
How We Denied Democracy to the Middle East
By ROBERT FISK
The Independent

The Brits created all those worthy sheikhdoms in the Gulf. Kuwait was our doing; Saudi Arabia was ultimately a joint Anglo-US project, the United Arab Emirates (formerly the Trucial State) etc. But when Iran decided in the 1950s that it preferred Mohammed Mossadeq's democratic rule to the Shah's, the CIA's Kim Roosevelt, with Colonel "Monty" Woodhouse of MI6, overthrew democracy in Iran. Now President Bush demands the same "democracy" in present-day Iran and says we merely "excused and accommodated" the loathsome US-supported Shah's regime.

Now let's have another linguistic analysis of Mr Bush's words. "The failure of Iraqi democracy," he told us two days ago, "would embolden terrorists around the world, increase dangers to the American people, and extinguish the hopes of millions in the region." Here's another take: the failure of the Bush administration to control Israel's settlement-building on Arab land would embolden terrorists around the world, increase dangers to the American people and extinguish the hopes of millions in the region. Now that would be more like it. But no. President Bush thinks Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is "a man of peace".

And then there's that intriguing Bush demand for a revolution in undemocratic Iran. Sure, Iran is a theocratic state (a necrocracy, I suspect), but the morally impressive President Mohamed Khatami, repeatedly thwarted by the dictatorial old divines, was democratically elected--and by a far more convincing majority than President George Bush Jr in the last US presidential elections.

Yes, "democracy can be the future of every nation", Bush tells us. So why did his country support Saddam's viciousness and war crimes for so many years? Why did Washington give its blessing, at various stages, to Colonel Ghaddafi, Hafez Assad of Syria, the Turkish generals, Hassan of Morocco, the Shah, the sleek Ben Ali of Tunisia, the creepy generals of Algeria, the plucky little King of Jordan and even--breathe in because the UNOCAL boys wanted a gas pipeline through Afghanistan--the Taliban?

A break here. Fouad Siniora is the finance minister of Lebanon. He is a believer in the American way of life, a graduate of the American University of Beirut and a former lecturer there, an ex-executive of Citibank. He has a valid American visa in his passport. Yet he has been telephoned by the American embassy in Beirut to be told he will not be permitted entry to the US.

Why? Because last year he gave $660 at a Ramadan fast-breaking iftah to a charity that runs educational projects and orphanages in Lebanon. The organisation is run by Sayed Mohamed Fadlallah--once described by the Western press as the "spiritual adviser" to Hizbollah. CIA sources long ago revealed that they tried to kill Fadlallah--they failed, but their Saudi-prepared car bomb killed 75 civilians--so Siniora, an Americanophile to his fingertips, is persona non grata in the US. Fadlallah is not Hizbollah's "spiritual adviser"--so he could hardly withdraw his support for its victory over the Israeli army in Lebanon three years ago--but the looney-toon "security" legislation in the US has deprived Siniora of any further contact with a country he admires.

Yes, roll on democracy. Bring 'em on. The new "Rummyworld" war on terror is in Iraq. Ban the press from filming the return of dead American soldiers to the US. Liberty is what it's about, democracy. "Accommodating the lack of freedom in the Middle East", indeed. We created this place, drew its borders, weaned their grotesque dictators. And we expect the Arabs to trust Mr Bush's promise?

Post: #2
Title: Re: How We Denied Democracy to the Middle East- By ROBERT FISK
Author: Emad Batran
Date: 11-11-2003, 10:03 AM
Parent: #1

thank you Eman ..

"I'm also not very analytical. You know I don't spend a lot of time thinking about myself, about why I do things."


"I appreciate people's opinions, but I'm more interested in news. And the best way to get the news is from objective sources, and the most objective sources I have are people on my staff who tell me what's happening in the world."


Qoutes said by, Dubya , I mean the President of the United States G. W Bush..

Post: #3
Title: Re: How We Denied Democracy to the Middle East- By ROBERT FISK
Author: banadieha
Date: 11-11-2003, 11:06 AM
Parent: #2




:Thank you for the reading. Please let make this short comment
Robert Fisk always writes with arab readers in mind as he is acknowledged to be an expert on the ME affairs and this may be why he doesn't write from the same point of view about the aborted democracy in Sudan: only our Uncle Sadeq Elmahdi is doing so; but in vain! Because America doesn't listen to him

!However, if interested to know a second opinion about Robert Fisk, you may read this


http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/critiques/Rober...wellian_Newspeak.asp








Post: #4
Title: Re: How We Denied Democracy to the Middle East- By ROBERT FISK
Author: haneena
Date: 11-11-2003, 02:24 PM
Parent: #3

ايمان
سلام وشكرا علي مقالة روبرت فيسك
علي الاقل احدهم يقول الحقيقة دون خوف من اللوبي اليهودي الصهيوني

اسأل مع بناديها
أين روبرت فيسك مما يحدث في السودان؟؟
لو له اي مقالة عن تلاعبات الانجلو امريكان بالسودان فارجو مدنا بها او اللنك
رغم اني هنا فلا اقرأ اي من صحفهم

لكم الشكر

Post: #5
Title: Re: How We Denied Democracy to the Middle East- By ROBERT FISK
Author: إيمان أحمد
Date: 11-11-2003, 07:40 PM
Parent: #4

You are welcome Emad Batran
I have nothing to say about the American president, but I like our colleague Maraweed's image. May I refer you to it! It is just so telling!

banadieha
Thank you for what you posted. It is always healthy to have a second opinion.
I have already read the critique you posted, but why don't you post an article by Robert Fisk that shows his "point of view about the aborted democracy in Sudan".

I can't see a face for comparison between 'your uncle' Sadig Almahdi and the journalist Robert Fisk right here, with my due respect to the opinions of each.

Whatever Mr. Almahdi may write about the aborted democracy(ies), I see him as an active agent, not a passive observer, neither someone from the public in the process(es) of abortion!!!!!!!!!

الصديقة حنينة
كثيرا ما أشعر بأن مشكلة السودان اصبحت unpopular subject إلا للقلائل.
يمكنك الرجوع الي الموقع التالي وبه موارد غنية جدا، لنقرأ ونتفق ونختلف معها
http://www.zmag.org/weluser.htm

سلامي
إيمان

Post: #6
Title: Re: How We Denied Democracy to the Middle East- By ROBERT FISK
Author: haneena
Date: 11-11-2003, 10:59 PM
Parent: #5

thanks iman for the useful link
see you there

Post: #7
Title: Re: How We Denied Democracy to the Middle East- By ROBERT FISK
Author: msd
Date: 11-12-2003, 05:22 AM
Parent: #6

سوف اكون سعيداً جداً لو قمت بعمل ملخص او ترجمة بالعربي لان هذا يتيح فرصة قراءته من اكبر عدد ممكن.

Post: #8
Title: Re: How We Denied Democracy to the Middle East- By ROBERT FISK
Author: إيمان أحمد
Date: 11-12-2003, 07:23 AM
Parent: #7

الأخ msd
عفوا لنقل الموضوع بالانجليزية، ولكن لا أملك التصرف فيه لزوم حقوق النشر وما شابه ذلك، لذا فضلت وضعه مع المحافظة علي المصادر.

علي العموم الموقع التالي يساعد بترجمة فقرات كاملة يمكنكم استخدامه بنسخ الفقرة ولصقها في مكان text ويمكن عمل مراجعة إملاءية قبل الترجمة، وقد جربته في نفس الموضوع، شكله كده شغال كويس، وخدمته مجانية.
http://english.ajeeb.com/

ارجو أن أكون قد أفدت، وعذرا مرة أخري
لك التقدير
إيمان

Post: #9
Title: Re: How We Denied Democracy to the Middle East- By ROBERT FISK
Author: banadieha
Date: 11-12-2003, 06:11 PM
Parent: #5


حنينة: أشكرك على مداخلتك التي أوضحت ما قصدته في مداخلتي الأولى.

إيمان أحمد: موضوع البوست مفيد..ولكن! روبرت فيسك هو كاتب بريطاني..ولأنه بريطاني فأنا لم أفهم لماذا لم يذكر السودان كمثال للدول التي "بخلوا" عليها بالديمقراطية..أما كان النظام الديمقراطي الثالث جدير بأن يلقى دعم من أرباب الديمقراطية في أمريكا وبريطانيا - دعم اقتصادي وسياسي: الغاء ديونه وتسهيل حصوله على قروض وإيجاد حل لحرب الجنوب..ولكنه لاقى عكس ذلك من ضغوط مصرية وحرمان من الحصول على قروض من المؤسسات الدولية وغيرها والدعم الوحيد الذي تلقاه النظام الديمقراطي في السودان كان بعد أن استولت الجبهة على الحكم في السودان وتمثل ذاك الدعم في قيام أمريكا بتطبيق قانون المقاطعة على أي نظام يصل إلى الحكم بالإنقلاب على نظام ديمقراطي إذا لم يقم بإجراء إنتخابات خلال ستة أشهر..روبرت فيسك لم يكتب عن ديمقراطية السودان المؤودة مقابل ديكتاتوريات السودان التي تلقت دعم من أمريكا وغيرها: المعونة الأمريكية وزيارة الملكة إلى دور الإستخبارات الأمريكية إبان عهد مايو

Post: #10
Title: Re: How We Denied Democracy to the Middle East- By ROBERT FISK
Author: إيمان أحمد
Date: 11-12-2003, 10:15 PM
Parent: #9

banadieha

لقد فهمت ما عنيته أولا، وفهمت حنينة أيضا..... ورديت علي حنينة، ورديت عليك.

اللنك الذي بثثته في ردك يوضح معرفتك بالكاتب وكتاباته. ربما أختلف معك في الطريقة التي تتناول بها المواضيع، فقد بنيت تساؤلاتك علي أن الكاتب "بريطاني" ولا أري ذلك أساسا مناسباأو كافيا لأبني عليه تساؤلاتي.
أختلف معك أيضا في افتراض أنهم "أرباب الديمقراطية" وأن بإمكانهم "إيجاد حل لحرب الجنوب".
ولا أري في المقال إي دفاع من الكاتب عن موقف امريكا أو الملكة.

كثيرا ما لاحظت أن اعتبار السودان جزءا من الشرق الأوسط مثار جدال، أقصد controversial issue.
وفي النهاية هذا هو ما كتبه الكاتب في هذا المقال بالذات!

وبما أن لك تحفظات علي الكاتب، يمكنكم بثها في الموقع الذي وضعته في ردك أعلاه، فهو يقول: إذا كان لديك رأيا مغايرا حول ما يكتبه روبرت فيسك، أكتب لنا!!!!!!!!!!
علي العموم شكرا للمداخلات واختلاف الآراء مسألة طبيعية!
إيمان