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 دعونا نتحدث عن ارشاد مانجي !
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السلام عليكم _ ورحمه الله تعالي وبركاته _ وبعد ..
سوف ادلف لموضوع النقاش مباشره _ عن ارشاد مانجي _ المهاجره الهنديه التي تعيش في كندا حاليا _ مسلمه _ مثيره للقضايا والموضوعات من منطلق انها شاذه جنسيا_ حيث انها لاتخفي هذه الحقيقه _ بل علي العكس تتفاخر بهذا الامر من خلال برنامجها _ QueerTelevision
_ هذا في حد نفسه ليس القضيه _ فهذه حياتها الشخصيه وهذا هو الطريق الذي اختارته لنفسها بان تكون شاذه جنسيا _ ولكن ما يمكن طرحه للنقاش _ كتابها الذي طرحته _ والذي تم ترجمته لعده لغات_ اسم الكتاب _ المشكله مع الاسلام !_ طرحت ارشاد افكار جريئه في الكتاب وسوف اقوم بانذال بعض هذه الافكار من خلال تقرير كتبه _ رضا الاعرجي من مونتريال_ ملحوظه _ التقرير غير موجود علي الانترنيت _ .
قبلا دعونا نقترب من ارشاد مانجي لكي نعرف من تكون .
ولدت مانجي في اوغندا عام 69 وقد هاجرت الي كندا مع العائله ابان طرد الرئيس عيدي للعوائل الاسيويه من اوغندا . تم طرد ارشاد مانجي من المدرسه وهي ابنه 14 وقد واصلت تعليمها في مدرسه كاثلوكيه . كارهه نفسها ! هذا هو القب الذي يطلقه اقارب مانجي علي الفتاه ارشاد التي دوما ما تقول " جلدي سميك , ودماغي كبير ,وان لي فما كبيرا استخدمته منذ كنت طفله لاتحدث بحريه لا اتوقع ان اجدها في اماكن اخري " تصف ارشاد عائلتها بانها " عائله عنيفه جدا " . هنالك تعليق اخر طريف قالته "ارشاد" عن الاسلام وضرورته اصلاحه _ هنا التعليق _
تقول انها قد تتخلي عن الاسلام اذا لم يصلح نفسه! والحديث لرضا الاعرجي من مونتريال_
درست مانجي العلوم الانسانيه في جامعه برتش كولمبيا وتخرجت الاوله علي دفعتها ونالت وسام التفوق من الحاكم العام لكندا. استطاعت ارشاد بان تكون اصغر محرره في عالم الصحافه الكنديه ببلوغها 23 حينذاك . تعرف وتصف مانجي نفسها بانها " ناشطه يساريه ومسلمه مؤمنه بالمساواه بين الجنسين".
لا تتحرج مانجي عن الافصاح والاعلان عن شذوذها الجنسي رغم تعارض الامر مع التعاليم الاسلاميه وفي مقابله مع صحيفه "نيويورك تايمز" ترد مانجي لسؤال جون غلاس : الاسلام لايسمح بالشذوذ الجنسي ,فكيف تصالح شذوذك مع ايمانك ؟
تقول ارشاد مانجي !
اقبل الاحتمال بان توجهي الجنسي قد يكون ذنب , ولكن الله وحده من يصدر علي الحكم . تمضي مانجي قائله...اذا لم يرد الله ان يخلقني شاذه لكان خلقني انسانه سويه, فالله صمم التعدد في هذا العالم المدهش عن قصد.
ساءل غلاس مانجي عن الحجاب ولماذا لا ترتديه ..فاجابت مانجي ..
اذا كان الامر يتعلق بتغطيه الراس فانا استطيع ان البس قبعه بيسبول والحقيقه انني اردتيت هذه القبعه حين قابلت مؤخرا قائدا من الجهاد الاسلامي في غزه هو د. محمد الهندي .
سوف اكتفي بهذا القدر وسوف اعود لاحقا للمواصله ..ولكن قبل هذا دعونا نتطلع علي هذه المحاضره التي القتها "ارشاد مانجي"
عنوان المحاضره
“Why Coming Out is My Duty to God”
في
University of Western OntarioOctober 1999
Gays and God: So often we’re told that there’s no hope in hell for reconciling them. It’s easy to believe. After all, among the most common reasons that queers don’t come out is violence born of religious conviction.
But I’m here to suggest that God and gays are not just reconcilable. We’re downright compatible.
Now, I can’t claim to be an expert on the Torah, the Bible, or the Koran. I tried learning Arabic as a child and, for all kinds of reasons, never got there – which may have been God’s merciful way of shielding me from those who, in my adult years, would want me to indulge in semantic arguments with them. Even if I could do that, I wouldn’t. Because to me, there is ungodly arrogance in certainty. Instead, there is revelation in fluidity.
What do I mean by the arrogance of certainty? I mean, in a word, fundamentalism. Listen to this message I received last year from a viewer of my show, QueerTelevision:
I am writing to inform you that the one and only real God, the God of the Bible, make its painfully clear that all Sodomites (meaning homosexuals” or like deviants by your warped terminology) have forsaken their humanity for their deranged, perverted, evil lusts. Thereby, they have become abominations, no longer human, and are to be executed immediately according to Leviticus and Deuteronomy, among countless other aspects of the Bible.
The subsequent fate of anyone who commits these sickening acts is an eternity in an unbearable Hell. Contrived propaganda by your repugnant ilk can never prevail over the perfect word of God. Even Jesus Himself directly decreed that anyone so reprobate as to abandon all moral grounding to gratify his own despicable, insane lusts will burn in Hell unquestionably, Luke 17:43.
There are several verses I could cite, all direct and indisputable, because all succinctly condemn Sodomites in whatever context one purports to place them.
A final word: ‘If a man so lieth with mankind as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death and their blood shall be upon them.’ – God.”
Here’s how I responded:
Dear brother:
Thanks for taking the time to write such a detailed message. However, in your almost-thorough explanation of my disease-ridden immorality, you failed to mention what version of the Bible you’re quoting.
As everyone knows, there are several versions and some differ in wording. So, for instance, the final verse you cite has been expressed in other translations of the Bible as “if a man lieth with boys as with a woman…” – ie. a decree against pedophilia, not homosexuality. (Of course, to you these may be one and the same, but that’s another debate for another time.)
Similarly, in earlier (and thus less corrupted) translations of the Bible, sodomy referred to inhospitality towards neighbors, not to sexual deviancy. Ditto for German editions versus English ones.
We can disagree about the validity of one interpretation over the other, but the fact that alternate interpretations have been presented throughout Christendom is beyond dispute. See, for example, The Parallel Bible, which offers at least four differing translations for every verse in scripture.
If you have the definitive word of God, how do you explain these incongruities? And how do you know that YOURS is the most accurate interpretation?
You know what he wrote back? Nothing. I never heard from him again.
This tells me that fundamentalism is a false god. It’s based on the faulty premise that a literal reading is not an interpretation like all others, but that it is what it is: namely, the perfect word. Well, not only have Christians never been able to agree on what is the perfect word of God, but it’s not even clear that the Christian God wants perfection in his creatures.
Take the imperfection of Christ’s own life. Jesus was born to a poor, unmarried woman in an occupied territory. Today, arbiters of conservative morality would call him a #######. A refugee criminal-to-be. Good with his hands but hardly leadership material. (And typical, isn’t it, that the son of a whore would hang around other hookers?)
By the same token, liberals should be reminded that Christ didn’t always live up to his compassionate billing. Consider his rocky relationship with his mother. In The Gospel According to Jesus, Stephen Mitchell observes that Mary of Nazareth is almost completely absent from Jesus’s life and words. The few times he does mention her, his words are chilly, even hostile. For example, after the exiled Jesus returns to Nazareth, he refuses to let his mother and brothers see him. When a woman in the crowd yells, Blessed is the womb that bore you and the breasts that gave you suck,” Jesus reportedly bristles, then rejects her sentiment.
He goes on to dismiss two others who wish to say good-bye to their families before following him. Here’s what Jesus says to them in the Gospel of Thomas: “Whoever doesn’t hate his father and mother the way I do can’t become my disciple. And whoever doesn’t love his true Father” – God – “and true Mother” the holy spirit – “as I do can’t become my disciple. For my mother gave me death, but my true Mother gave me life.”
Remember my statement that there’s revelation in fluidity? Revelation number one: Christ had issues.These imperfections give solace, even inspiration, to anybody who struggles with trying to love a community that often shuns them. That, of course, includes transsexuals, lesbians and gay men.
But there’s more to Christianity’s acceptance of imperfection than just the life of Jesus. Indeed, Jesus’s chosen scorn for his mother leads to a second revelation: that God created human beings with free moral will, expecting that as a result of our freedom we will sin, but preferring struggling creatures to sin-free automatons. That’s because God wants to see us mature into loving Him and each other.
Maturing into love, as opposed to starting with it, gives that love meaning, authenticity, integrity. To be embraced by robots is not necessarily to be loved, is it? Though I can’t be sure, I think that’s what God figures, too.
It’s the same principle of fluidity that operates in the coming out process: Strive for growth, not perfection, because perfection offers no room for improvement, no possibility for negotiation, no chance for creativity – and therefore no hope.
Unlike God, the need for growth is what fundamentalists deny. That’s also why I believe so many of them feel they must assert their influence through cut-and-dried violence – rather than achieve it through love.
Which may spawn the question: But why wouldn’t a good God stop them from inflicting violence? I believe it’s for the same reason I just cited: that authentic and therefore enduring love can’t be imposed. Authentic love isn’t a destination; it’s a journey – like coming out.
(Which, by the way, means that the act of “outing” will never be a sincere strategy for loving gays and lesbians. Outing is not about celebrating love but about imposing an orthodoxy that calcifies the complexity of being queer into a tidy manifesto of Do’s and Don’t’s. In that way, outing mimics the religious fundamentalism that it brands as its enemy.)
Now for the good news: In both forms of gay-bashing – outing as well as inning (so to speak) – there is the possibility of redemption. In the best-selling book, Conversations with God, God is quoted as saying, I do not demonstrate my love by not allowing you to demonstrate yours. And you cannot demonstrate love until you can demonstrate not loving.” Notice in that statement the hope for learning how to love.
If that strikes you as a lame excuse for God’s inaction in the face of, say, Matthew Shepard’s murder, remember: Shepard’s death resulted in new lives for many more. Because two people exercised their free will to do evil, thousands of others exercised their free will to come out.
Not perfect, but then there is no growth – and therefore no hope in perfection.
All of which brings me to the faith into which I was born and with which I still identify: Islam. Its claim is perfection. As the third and last of the great monotheistic religions, Islam has supposedly improved upon its predecessors.
Devout Muslims will tell you that the Koran, having been revealed after the Torah and the Bible, reflects the culmination of humankind’s spiritual development and is consequently the infallible word of God. They’ll add that Arabic, with its unique cadences and rhythms, can’t be translated into other languages. So, many Muslims will claim, the Koran has never lent itself to distorted interpretations like the Bible has.
And scholars will tell you that’s just the beginning of Islam’s perfection. The bigger deal is that what Moses introduced and Jesus embodied, Prophet Muhammad codified. In contrast to every other messenger of God, Muhammad systematized God’s rules into concrete and detailed prescriptions for your existence and mine. As such, there is no ambiguity. It’s all there. For that reason Islam is not just a religion; it’s a way of life.
As a result, most people are shocked to hear me argue that Allah and queerness are compatible. “No they’re not!” you’ll readily hear. “Islam is the straight path. The Koran is crystal-clear and unalterable. No reasoning by you, Irshad Manji, can change that!”
But if Islam is crystal-clear and unalterable, if Islam is the “straight path,” why is it practiced differently in even neighboring countries? If Islam is so powerful, why has it failed to penetrate the cultures of various places to establish a uniformity of custom and conduct? Why can my friend in Saudi Arabia call Islam the world’s most affirmative action religion – and back that up by citing fair inheritance laws and the opportunity to design her own hijab – while another friend sends me a postcard from Pakistan showing Muslim women clad from head to foot with barely a slit for seeing and breathing?
(The postcard ridiculously reads: “Greetings from Peshawar! Julie from the Love Boat, these gals ain’t…)
My point is that Islam is not as explicit – and therefore as perfect as many Muslims would have us believe. Compared to other religions, it may be more easily prone to fundamentalism because it’s more prescription-oriented. But at the same time, Arabic is a richly symbolic language, so that each verse of the Koran lends itself to all kinds of meanings. Accuracy is as hard to come by in Arabic as in any English translation. That’s what the fundamentalists will never tell you.
Nor, given their focus on tribe, will the fundamentalists ever divulge Islam’s value on individuality. As a great Muslim philosopher has written, “This inexplicable finite centre of experience is the basic fact of the universe: All life is individual. God himself is an individual; He is the most unique individual.”
The philosopher goes on to suggest that we pay tribute to Allah’s creative powers by expressing our individuality --- that which makes us different from anyone or anything else. (Man, if that’s not an endorsement of coming out, I don’t know what is.)
And what this highlights is a crucial point made in the Koran that the fundamentalists will surely never address. The verses go like this:
If God had pleased, He would have made you all one people. But He hath done otherwise, that He might try you in that which He hath given unto you. Press forward in good works, unto God shall ye return. Unto you, your religion. And unto me, my religion.
Now, I recognize that Arabic can’t be accurately translated, so maybe I’m just picking the interpretation that best suits my biases. However, this comes from a 1950s translation – well before Western feminism’s rise.
What the passage shows is not just the virtue of tolerating difference, but that the diversity God created is deliberate! This is the aspect of the “God and gays” debate that never ceases to floor me: If we are the handiwork of a good and great God – an all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-loving God – then how can queers be an abomination (to get back to that email I received)?
If God did not want to make me, presumably He would have made someone else, yes? My opponent might say: But He did make someone else – straight people! Sure, I would say, and He made brown people, and female people, and people with disabilities and people with IQs over 120. Does that mean God never wanted white people and male people and able-bodied people and people with IQs under 120?
And the fact that He did make me – does that mean God never wanted straight people?
In the end, both the Judeo-Christian tradition and Islam affirm that we are creatures of the Almighty, so that knowledge of the self and knowledge of God are synonymous. Which means denial of the self keeps us separated from God (otherwise known as sin).
We have a duty to grow into our faith by constantly revealing ourselves to our maker. Coming out to our creator, then, is not just an option. At a certain point, coming out might be an obligation.
And who am I to shirk my duty?
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Re: دعونا نتحدث عن ارشاد مانجي ! (Re: Muhib)
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الحديث سوف يطول حول " ارشاد" ..وهنا تدعيم لحديثي من صحيفه "نيويورك تايز " .. فقط احببت النقل من اجل تاكيد الملعومه ..
يتحدث هذا المقال عن ارشاد بصوره ماء موسعه . يتحدث عن معاناتها هي والعائله ابان الاقامه في اوغندا _ بلدها الاصلي _ سوف ادعكم تواصلون بنفسكم وسوف اواصل لاحقا ..
At 35, Ms. Manji, a lesbian intellectual with spiky hair and a sharp tongue, is an outspoken television journalist who admires Israel and applauds the American overthrow of Saddam Hussein. More than that, she has issued a searing critique of her religion in a new book, "The Trouble with Islam" (Random House Canada), calling for radical change.
While every religion has its fundamentalists, she notes, "only in Islam is literalism in the mainstream," a recipe for generating hatreds that can spawn suicide bombers.
There are other Islamic liberals who say the Sept. 11 attackers did more than hijack four planes: they hijacked an entire religion. Ms. Manji goes much further, saying that Islam has deep-rooted problems with Jews, women, slavery and authoritarianism that go back centuries. Her goal is a thoroughly liberal reform, started by Muslims living in the West.
"If ever there was a moment for an Islamic reformation, it's now," she argues in her book. "If we're sincere about fighting the asphyxiating despotism" that Al Qaeda seeks to spread, she adds, "we can't be afraid to ask: What if the Koran isn't perfect? What if it's not a completely God-authored book? What if it's riddled with human biases?"
As a longtime broadcaster and public affairs talk-show host on Canadian television, Ms. Manji, prominent, articulate and telegenic, with a rapid-fire delivery, has a ready platform for her ideas.
These ideas have already set off a searching debate. In the first weeks after publication of her book, she has made front-page news across Canada and received immediate attention in Germany, where the book was also released. In the next few months the book will reach the United States (St. Martin's Press), Australia, other parts of Europe and most probably Israel.
The book has also provoked death threats.
She takes no chances. Conversing in her Toronto living room, fidgeting, with a cup of spicy Indian tea in hand, Ms. Manji gushes with arguments as a hefty bodyguard stands on the porch. She has put bulletproof glass in some windows. She insists that her house not be described in detail to avoid giving a hint of where she lives.
Her central call is for Muslims to join her in critical thinking.
"If Mohamed Atta, who was well educated in Germany, had grown up with questions rather than just glib answers," she said, "maybe then he would have stepped back before immolating himself and committing mass murder" on Sept. 11, 2001, in the attacks that he helped organize.
As much as anything, she emphasizes, her thirst is for inquiry, something she says she admires in Israeli society. The goal is to "create conversations where they have never occurred before."
It is working. The immediate reply is as fiery as her own high-octane critique.
"The book title should be `The Trouble with Irshad Manji,' " said Mohamed Elmasry, national president of the Canadian Islamic Congress, dismissing her as a "media darling."
"She calls herself a good Muslim even though she is a lesbian and a feminist," he added. "She will have a shadow over her interpretation."
Written in essay form as a conversational letter to "my fellow Muslims," Ms. Manji tells of her "personal clash of civilizations," beginning with her family's flight to Canada in 1972 from her native Uganda when Idi Amin expelled the local East Indian community.
She comes from an upper-middle-class family (her father and brothers ran a Mercedes-Benz dealership in Uganda), but also a troubled home in which her father once chased her with a knife.A questioning child, she had repeated run-ins with the teacher of her Islamic school in a Vancouver suburb. She finally became so disgusted with his anti-Semitic rants, she wrote, that she bolted from the class
ملحوظه هامه ..كما قرانا في الاعلي _ الكتاب سبب تهديدا لحياه _ ارشاد مانجي _ واعتبر تهديد حياتها امر غير مسؤول ولايتماشي مع الاسلام . نعم لمناقشتها وطرح افكارها علي الملاء _ ولكن لا لارهابها وقتلها والسعي خلف هذا الامر _ وسوف اواصل لاحقا..
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Re: دعونا نتحدث عن ارشاد مانجي ! (Re: Muhib)
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هنا يا احباب ..الموقع الرسمي ل_ ارشاد مانجي _ ..مليئ باشياء مثيره! ..وسوف اواصل لاحقا في نقل مقتطفات من تقرير _ رضا الاعرجي من مونتريال _ حول ارشاد .. لقد اطلعت علي معلومه تقول ان الكتاب محظور في بعض البلدان في الشرق الاوسط _ ولا اخفي عدم تاكدي من صحه تلك المعلومه .
http://www.muslim-refusenik.com/index.html
اضغط واعرف اكثر عن ارشاد ..ماذا تقول ارشاد مانجي عن نفسها وعن الكتاب وسوف اقوم لاحقا بنشر الردود من قبل العلامه والشيوخ وبعض المهتمين حول الكتاب وكاتبته ..وشكرا ..
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 Re: دعونا نتحدث عن ارشاد مانجي ! (Re: Muhib)
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الاخ العزيز محب تحياتي ومودتي
اول مرة اسمع بهذا الاسم والشخصية المثيرة للجدل علي ما اعتقد
مواضيعها مثيرة نختلف معها كثيرا فكريا مع اننا لا نحجر حق التفكير والحرية في ذلك
ذهبت لموقعها علي الشبكة وتصفحت سيرتها واعزرني لو قلت انني لم اكمل القراءة تعرف لماذ؟
لانني وببساطة رايت صورة لها مع الشيطان سلمان رشدي واندهشت كيف لها ادعاء الاسلام وتبتسم وتصافح من قال عن القران ايات شيطانية؟
ولي عودة
علي احمد
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Re: دعونا نتحدث عن ارشاد مانجي ! (Re: degna)
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أخ محب
تحية طيبة
يا عزيزي لا فائدة من نقل أفكار المنحرفين كإرشاد مانجي التي لم أسمع بها من قبل ولكن المقتطفات التي أوردتها كافية لمعرفة أي نوع من الناس هي وكيف تفكر، شاذة جنسيا ولا تنكر هذا وتبدي استعدادها لترك الإسلام اذا لم يصلح نفسه وأنت تصف تعليقها هذا بالطرافة!! أنا لا أتورع عن تأييد إسكات أمثال هذه الفاجرة وبالقوة ولا يهمني ادعياء الثقافة المنادين بحرية الفكر وترك الحبل على الغارب لكل من هب ودب ليقول ما يشاء ويفتي بما يشاء، لست أدري متى يغضب البعض إذا لم يغضبوا عند مس عقيدتهم، اسمح لي يا محب بالقول أنك تخلط بين حرية الفكر المقيدة وحرية الفكر التي تمنح صاحبها حق قول ما يشاء وإن تعرض به للمقدسات ومكارم الأخلاق، قرأت لك قبل فترة عن استعدادك للخروج في مسيرة للمطالبة بعودة برنامج الماجن هوارد استيرن في قناة Entertainment التلفزيونية الأمريكية!!! هل تريده أن يعود ليتلذذ أمام المشاهدين بامرأة تخلع ثيابها تماما ثم تتبادل القبلات والإيحاءات الجنسية مع رجل ناقص أم تريده أن يعود لاستضافة الشواذ جنسيا والمنحطين أخلاقيا؟!
ما بقي إلا هذا: حملة توقيعات لمناصرة الشواذ جنسيا بدعوى احترام الحرية الشخصية!!
احترامي
أحمد الريّـح
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Re: دعونا نتحدث عن ارشاد مانجي ! (Re: Ahmed Alrayah)
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الاخ احمد الريح ..
لا ادعوا لي اقامه حمله لتايد "ارشاد مانجي" ..وددت نقل ما تفكر فيه هذه المراه _ لقد عانت في طفولتها من القهر الاسري والمدرسي وللاسف انقلب هذا القهر الي ممارسات وافكار غريبه طرحتها عن الاسلام في كتابها المثير للجدل _ ومره اخري ليس البوست لجمع التواقيع فارشاد مانجي لها مناصرين كثر _ وهنا فقط لمناقشه من هي وكتابها _ و اوضحت معظم الحديث اعلاه موجود في تقرير معي _ كاتبه_ رضا الاعرجي _ اما عن حديث تركها الاسلام _ الحديث يعود لرضا نفسه_ بالمناسبه كما اوضحت سوف انقل بعض ردات الفعل لبعض اهل العلم في كندا _ مسلمين وغير .. _ وشكرا_
بالنسبه لموضوع هاورد _ موقفي فيه وقوفا ضد ال FCC التي يسيطر عليها بوش وعصابته _ رئيس الكمومتي _ ابن كولن باول ! ..ارجوا ان تكون فهمتني صاح هذه المره ..والسلام
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Re: دعونا نتحدث عن ارشاد مانجي ! (Re: degna)
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نعم الاخ العزيز دقنا ,,
انا نفسي اختلف مع افكار مانجي ولكن ليس لحد تهديد حياتها! . ولي عوده واشكرك يا علي علي المرور _ سوف اكمل ملف ارشاد قريبا في هذا البوست ..والسلام ..
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 Re: دعونا نتحدث عن ارشاد مانجي ! (Re: Muhib)
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الاخ محب والاخوان اسعد الله صباحكم
الاسلام ليس في حاجه لها فقد درج اعداء الاسلام على مهاجمته و محاولة الصاق تهم به هو منها براء ... و لعل من اطرف وسائلهم فى ابتكارالاكاذيب نزع جلودهم القذرة و الصاقها بالاسلام ثم مهاجمتها هذه طريقة ذر لرماد فى العيون عن حقيقة عقائدهم و عاداتهم التى اختلط فيها عهر النساء بدياثة الرجال .ولو لم تتبع المدعوه ارشاد مانجي هده الطريقه لما وجهت لها الانظار من قبل الوكالات الامريكيه فدائما يستخدمون لضرب الاسلام من كان يدين به ويريد ينقلب او انقلب عليه.
انور احمد
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Re: دعونا نتحدث عن ارشاد مانجي ! (Re: Anwar Ahmed)
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الاخ محب
كيفك يا رجل يا طيب
مشكلة ارشاد مانجى مع الاسلام هى مشكلة كثير من ابناء المهاجرين للغرب من ذوى الخلفية المسلمة وقضية هامة تستحق النقاش فى منبر سودانى خاصة بعد اذدياد معدلات الهجرة للسودانين المسلمين للخارج والاقامة بصورة دائمة فى اغلب الاحوال
فخيرا فعلت بطرحك للموضوع
وخير فعلت ارشاد مانجى ان طرحت خلاصة صراعها الفكرى ما بين الموروث الاسلامى وواقع حياتها فى حضن الثقافة الغربية وما تحمله
من تناقضات ،
ففى ما كتب دعوى للتامل ونموزج يستحق الوقوف وتبادل الاراء حيث ان هذا الصراع يعيشه كثير من ابناء المسلمين فى غياب تام للثقافة الا سلامية فى تفاصيل حياتهم اليومية
وكالعادة وذى ما شايفين دور رجال الدين فقط التكفير ووصف خطورة الكتابات على الا سلام ، بدل ما يرمو اللوم على انفسهم
ولى معك عودة
وشكرا
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Re: دعونا نتحدث عن ارشاد مانجي ! (Re: Muhib)
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واعود الي هذا البوست _ وهنا نقاط سريعه لبعض الافكار
الاسلام والتفكير المستقل!
تقول تقول ارشاد ان سبب تخلف المسلمين هو عدم التفكير المستقل وعدم التفكر في ايات الله لحل طلاسمها. دوما الرجوع ل_ المله او الشيخ_ يكون مصير الغالبيه لمعرفه ما يتوجب فعله اذاء مساءله ماء. الاسلام الدين الوحيد الذي يرتبط فيه المخلوق بالخالق دون وسيط ولكن تضيف ارشاد بان المسلمين بعيدين من هذا الفهم ودوما هناللك وسيط يقوم ب_ الشرح لكلام الله_ وتنفيذه علي الملاء _ وقد يكون التفسير متعسف للقران .
اسرائيل والدول العربيه!
تري ارشاد بان الدول العربيه غير مصحه بالغاء اللوم علي دول اسرائيل بسبب الازمات الداخليه التي تعاني منها معظم الدول العربيه . اشارت مانجي _ للتميز الذي يمارس ضد العرب في اوروبا وقالت ان اسرائيل ليس لها علاقه بالامر _ تحدثا عن اسرائيل _ رائت ارشاد بان اسرائيل غير محقه في معامله الفلسطينين_ ورغم تري ارشاد بان اسرائيل تتفوق علي كافه الدول العربيه من ناحيه الحريات والدمقراطيه _ ولاتخفي ارشاد اعجابها بالصحافه الاسرائيليه ايضا.
القران والكتب السماويه الاخري!
تدعوا ارشاد المسلمين الي عدم الاكتفاء بالرجوع الي القران الكريم او اخذه بشكل حرفي,وانما عليهم ان يرجعوا ايضا الي الكتب السماويه الاخري كالتوراه وغيرها من الكتب السماويه.
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Re: دعونا نتحدث عن ارشاد مانجي ! (Re: Muhib)
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اننها تقول الحقيقة لماذا هذة الحملة ضدها اتريدون من الجميع ان يكون منافقين حتى تقول عنهم مسلمين اسويا ام تريدون ان تدفنون الحقيقة دائما وكل من قال الحقيقة عن المسلمين احوالهم التى لا تعجب اليوم هو عدو الاسلام. المسلمون اليوم وطريقة تفكيرهم التى يفكرون بها اليوم جعلتهم هم اعداء الاسلام الحقيقين وكفاية خداع لانفسكم وواجوا الحقيقة من عير ان ترموا باللوم غيركم
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Re: دعونا نتحدث عن ارشاد مانجي ! (Re: theNile)
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نايل ون_ اختلط عيك الامر _ مثلك مثل احمد الريح الذي اتي متهمني بالدفاع عنها_ ليس هذا البوست_ للدفاع او الهجوم علي _ارشاد مانجي الكنديه. هنا لطرح _جزء من افكارها لمناقشتها ولرؤيه ماتري وقد طرحت بعض من هذه الافكار_ فارجوا ان تاخذها بعين _المناقش_ وليس بعين التعميم_فالهجوم او الدفاع عن ارشاد مانجي _لن ينفع او يضر في ظني_ ولكن دعنا نتامل افكارها لنفندها ولناخذ منها المفيد_ ولنخرج منها الشاذ. فهلا اسهمت معنا لفعل هذا الامر؟ والسلام اخي العزيز.
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Muhib
degna
Ahmed Osman
theNile
فيس بوك
تويتر
انستقرام
يوتيوب
بنتيريست