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04-27-2004, 02:50 AM

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what garaang has really missed and could not understand

    Salaam

    I am posting this message I received via email for someone who is not a member and can not post for his own


    Here is his text: x
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    kindly post this in suadaneseonline.It is meant as reply to Rado and to Bakri Aljack who believes that he is the theorist of something called New Sudan.nothing showed igorance of Garaang ,Al jackandYasir Araman as their mistaken belief that they are the masters of a new Sudan.Among what Garaang and bakri Aljack do not know are the following concepts of modern Sudanese political thought.!Sudanese natioal effort for ripening and socio political advancement.2 Sudanese consociat ionalism}constitutionalism of multicultural and multi confessional Sudan}3 Extreminatory forces{mass murder and genocide politcal movements of muslim revivalism and regional separatism ie AL bashir,Garaang movements} as opposed to popular and orderly political forces.These are new propositions that will guide in the very near future the Sudan . As to the list of those who have gathered in Asamara are all misguided and are dreaming of capturing power in The Sudan with help of aregime of exaction as the Eriterian regime








                  

04-27-2004, 05:26 AM

matthew FARIS
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Re: what garaang has really missed and could not understand (Re: zoul"ibn"zoul)

    Can you please repost this message in Arabic
    I just can't get what the author intends to convey

    Faris
                  

04-27-2004, 06:05 AM

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Re: what garaang has really missed and could not understand (Re: zoul"ibn"zoul)

    Brother Mathew.

    I tried to read what the author is trying to write but I couldn’t understand a thing. It appear to me the author is trying to use this big vocabulary after he wrote the article and end up losing the meaning of what he or she wrote.

    Deng.
                  

04-27-2004, 12:09 PM

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Re: what garaang has really missed and could not understand (Re: Deng)

    The writer wants to say there are other leaders for new Sudan, who have better ideas and will prevail. I wish if can elaborate more and post their contributions for a discussion.
    I haven’t heard Dr John Grange and his comrades saying they are the masters of Sudan who owned the truths and the absolute solutions.
                  

04-28-2004, 01:24 AM

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Re: what garaang has really missed and could not understand (Re: zoul"ibn"zoul)

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    some additional explanation

    kindly post it also.What i am saying is that illliterate and
    poorly educated people are at present waging armed struggle. They claim to be fighting for a new Sudan and that power is at their grasp. New Sudan is for all practical purposes is de Arabised and if possile de islamised and ruled by GAraang ,Araman and ALjack. The Strife for the New Sudan is waged from Eriteria. Such claims remain hollow and unrealistic for anumber of reasons;

    1The new Sudan movements are narrowly based- regional,ethic and tribal in nature
    2
    they lack cohesion as they so often split and disintergrate and their leaders end up being slaughtered or betrayed by comerades in arms

    4 they lack any good understanding of impact of civil war on local population and regional resources before South Sudan is effectively depopulated and Dar Fur is near empty from its horeoic people

    5.They never learn from past expriences the war in the South never stopped for fifty years- a civil war whenever and wherever breaks out continues for decades. This is exprience not only of the Sudan but Colombia, Afghanstanetc....6 the Eriterian support to SPLM,SLM and Bakri Aljack is at the expense of hungry and improvished Eriterians.

    7 these movements are engaged with Albashir Government and they recipricatewiyj each other. Democratising the Sudan and ridding it from Muslim fundamentalismis possible by nonviolent means-Avelvet revolution and mass murderand genocide of muslim revivalism and regional insurrectionists
                  

04-28-2004, 02:48 AM

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Re: what garaang has really missed and could not understand (Re: zoul"ibn"zoul)

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    kindly post this in suadaneseonline.It is meant as reply to Rado and to Bakri Aljack who believes that he is the theorist of something called New Sudan.nothing showed igorance of Garaang ,Al jackandYasir Araman as their mistaken belief that they are the masters of a new Sudan.Among what Garaang and bakri Aljack do not know are the following concepts of modern Sudanese political thought.!Sudanese natioal effort for ripening and socio political advancement.2 Sudanese consociat ionalism}constitutionalism of multicultural and multi confessional Sudan}3 Extreminatory forces{mass murder and genocide politcal movements of muslim revivalism and regional separatism ie AL bashir,Garaang movements} as opposed to popular and orderly political forces.These are new propositions that will guide in the very near future the Sudan . As to the list of those who have gathered in Asamara are all misguided and are dreaming of capturing power in The Sudan with help of aregime of exaction as the Eriterian regime






    Salam to U Zoal and to your valued visitors
    I think I could not get all the meaning could you ask the writer to elaborate

                  

04-28-2004, 06:09 AM

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Re: what garaang has really missed and could not understand (Re: zoul"ibn"zoul)

    Ya Zool, your friend needs to put his or her name.

    The writer did not come up with any new argument. What you entertain here is an old product, you just put it in English instate of Arabic language.
    I just want to remind you something, If what you said is all accurate, then how come the SPLA/SPLM accomplished and achieved what is clear now to all of us Sudanese. My friend, you need to stop the arrogant attitude, and you need to look to the whole picture. You are just one of this people whom they want to maintain this fake social status in Sudan regardless of other people rights. Guess what? It is all over. You need to wake up and smell the coffee.

    Deng.
                  

04-29-2004, 02:52 AM

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Re: what garaang has really missed and could not understand (Re: zoul"ibn"zoul)

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    amessege to Deng and to the deamers of ruling North Sudan

    Deng is not oppressed by NorthernSudan-as South Sudan Is Dinka dominated.Also Dar fur is notSabataged by Northern Sudanese but by the half Of NIF who are dar furians.Unlike all day dreamers Garaang knows the limits to his ambitions -He can only be An affiliate to Albashir that to sayavice president.What New sudan in fact means is ajoint NIF/SPlM government.There is of course an alternative to albashir and Garaang assumpitions.So new political concepts were proposed these include Democratic rule of multi ethinic and multi confessional socities in Europe and Asia..Devolution-As opposed to separatism.What brings Albashir, Garaang , the Darfurian war mongers is their thristfor blood and distruction.This is why we refer toallof them as extreminatory forces-The killergangs. We also oppose them to ordely sudanese political; forces--democractic and p[eace loving people of a united,devolved and democratic Sudan.
                  

04-29-2004, 03:53 AM

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Re: what garaang has really missed and could not understand (Re: zoul"ibn"zoul)

    The basic problem of the Sudan is that its reality, both in its historical perspective and in its contemporary context conflicts fundamentally with the policies that have been pursued by the various governments, whether military or Islamic dictatorships or based on multi-partism , that have come and gone in Khartoum since independence in 1956. What characterises the Sudan is its rich diversity in its history, geography, people and culture.

    Deng.
                  


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