تعدد الزوجات مقابل تعدد الأزواج... لمن ينسب الأبناء في الحالة الثانية؟!!.

Quote: ممكن ينسبوا الأبناء لأبيهم الحقيقي عن طريق فحص DNA

مشكور اخي احمد على التعليق..

بس الناس اللي ما شغالين بالتقنية دي يعملوا شنو؟

Quote: الأنسب انهم ينسبوا للام فهي التي ولدتهم بغض النظر عن من هو الاب

الرجال العاشروها بختلفو فى حاجات كتيرة، شجاعة، ثروة، ...

Quote: عتقد الصحيح: تعدد الأزواج للمرأة الواحدة هو polyandry وهو محرم في الإسلام

Quote: بالإتفاق ولد لي وولد ليك بس النفوس تتطايب

Quote: تحية طيبة لك أخي قير تور إن كنت أنت من أعني فقد إلتقيتك في السفارة السودانية بالرياض قبل فترة ...وقد جئتك وقتها لأحييك وأشكرك على مقال كتبته أنت في حق مدينتي رفاعة وكان بعنوان رفاعة سفيرة كرم الجزيرة وقد دلني على مكانك وقتها أخ لي . أما إن كان إسم على إسم فاسمح فإني أستميحك العذر على هذا الإقتحام ....ويكفيني منه فرحاً وفخراً أن الإسم هو ذات الإسم لذلك الرجل الوفي الخلوق ...متعه الله بالصحة والعافية أينما كان لك التحية والتقدير عودة لطرحك أعلاه ... نحمد الله أن جعلني من المسلمين ...لا متقاطعات لدينا مثل هذه شريعة سمحاء هذبت وشذبت كل صغيرة وكبيرة في شئون الحياة الأم هي وحدها التي تعرف من هو الأب الحقيقي وإن تعددت المعاشرات من مختلف الرجال .. يبقى بعد ذلك هي قد تصرح بالحقيقة أم لا ....وتبقى العادات المتبعة كما ذكر البعض هي سيدة الموقف . عند اللفة بس : ----------- اللهم لاتمحنا ولا تبلانا

Quote: ذا أخذنا الموضوع على علاته، بالتأكيد يكون النسب إلي الأم هو الاصح. وقديما قبل ظهور الجضارات، في مجتمعات الشيوع الجنسي كان الأبناء ينسبون إلى الأم. هناك مقولة لا اعلم مدى صحتها، أن يوم القيامة ينادى على الناس باسم أمهاتهم.

Quote: The wife married to FIVE brothers: Rajo, 21, follows a tradition in Indian villages which allows families to hold on to their farmland Rajo Verma, 21, lives in one room with the siblings, in Northern India The young wife spends each night with a different brother in turn She does not know which of siblings is the father of her young son Fraternal polyandry is tradition in the small village near Dehradun By AMANDA WILLIAMS PUBLISHED: 00:17 GMT, 19 March 2013 | UPDATED: 12:31 GMT, 19 March 2013 A young Indian woman has spoken out about being married to five husbands, all of whom are brothers. Rajo Verma, 21, lives in one room with the siblings and they sleep on blankets on the floor. The mother-of-one, who sleeps each night with a different brother, does not know which of her five related husbands is the father of her 18-month-old son. The set-up may seem peculiar, but it is tradition in the small village near Dehradun, Northern India, for women to also marry the brothers of their first husband. She told the Sun: 'Initially it felt a bit awkward. 'But I don’t favour one over the other.' Rajo and first husband Guddu wed in an arranged Hindu marriage four years ago. Since then she has married Baiju, 32, Sant Ram, 28, Gopal, 26, and Dinesh, 19 - the latest in the line of husbands - who married her as soon as he turned 18. 'We all have sex with her but I’m not jealous,' first husband Guddu - who remains the only official spouse - said. 'We’re one big happy family.' The ancient Hindu tradition of polyandry was once widely practiced in India, but is now only observed by a minority. It sees a woman take more than one husband, typically in areas which are male dominated. In fraternal polyandry the woman is expected to marry each of her original husband's brothers. It is thought to have arisen from the popular Sanskrit epic of Mahabharatha, which sees Draupadi, daughter of the King of Pancha being married to five brothers. The practice is also believed to be a way of keeping farming land in the family. It is most commonly found near the Himalayas in the north of the country, as well as in the mountainous nation of Tibet. While the advance of modernity has seen the archaic practice largely die out in most areas, the shortage of women in countries such as China and India has helped keep it alive as a solution to young men's difficulties in finding a wife. Rajo said she knew she was expected to accept all of her husbands, as her own mother had also been married to three brothers. She said they sleep together in turn, but that they do not have beds, just 'lots of blankets on the floor'. She added: 'I get a lot more attention and love than most wives.'

Quote: POLYANDRY: AN ANCIENT TRADITION The practice of polyandry is believed to stem from the tale of Mahabharata, the ancient Indian epic. The text, one of the cornerstones of Indian culture, sees Draupadi, daughter of the King of Pancha being married to five brothers. It is not legal, but in its most common form - whereby women in polyandrous relationships marry more than one man from the same family - it is permitted. It tends to be practised in male dominated villages, who still follow primitive rituals and customs. Brothers who refuse the union are often treated as outcasts. In polyandrous families, the woman often cannot say which of her husbands fathered which children. Recently, there have been instances of DNA testing, to solve inheritance disputes. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2295380/The-wife-married-FIVE-brothers-Rajo-21-follows-tradition-Indian-villages-allows-families-hol...d.html#ixzz45DyMt6ip Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

Quote: Polyandry is the practice of one woman taking two or more husbands. The custom evolved in human cultures where resources, particularly land and food, were scarce, and/or where women were allowed to own property or ancestral titles of rank. In some parts of the world it occurred in areas where women themselves were scarce, for example in cultures where female infanticide was routinely carried out, or where females were less likely to survive to adulthood. Polyandry allowed men to pool their resources and live comfortable lives that might otherwise be denied to them and their children. And in these relationships, the women often enjoyed a very high status. Polyandry was practiced at the dawning of human civilisation and across the world: throughout the Indian subcontinent, in areas such as the Canadian Arctic and in parts of Africa, China and the Americas. We know that in some ancient Celtic societies, women were allowed to own property and therefore marry more than one husband, because Julius Caesar complained about it along with several other Britton customs. Around 2300 BCE the Sumerian king Urukagina of Lagash abolished the custom of polyandry entirely in Mesopotamia. Polyandry was also prohibited successively by the monotheist faiths Judaism, Christianity and Islam. In today’s world, a recent survey of tribal societies indicates that 83.39% of them practice polygyny, 16.14% practice monogamy, and only 0.47% practice polyandry. And in almost all cases, the polyandry practiced is fraternal, where a group of brothers share a wife. Fraternal polyandry was also believed to be the norm historically. Nonfraternal polyandry, where a group of unrelated men share a wife, is virtually nonexistent because of its inherent instability: a group of unrelated men would be far less willing to share the parenting of a completely unrelated child, no matter the immediate benefits. In pockets of India, Bhutan, Nepal and Tibet the custom of polyandry continued until relatively recently, particularly amongst the many minority peoples of the region. While the custom has now been banned in Tibet by Chinese authorities, in India the practice seems to be dying a natural death. Increasing resources and opportunities allow men to leave resource-poor areas and find jobs and wives elsewhere. And all of this has happened in the space of a single generation. As one Malang Indian local, the son of a polyandrous marriage, put it in an interview to the New York Times in 2010 “That system had utility for a time. But in the present context it has outlived its usefulness. The world has changed”. A little northeast of Lhassa, among the mountains that cover that part of the great plateau of Tibet, the explorer Bonvalot found a large population. It is in these valleys that some of the rivers of India have their headquarters. This region, says the New York Sun, is peculiar as the part of Tibet where polyandry is the custom, and this feature of social life has given Tibet some notoriety, because there are very few parts of the world in which polyandry is practised. Bonvalot thus describes the custom as it exists in Tibet. A family has a daughter. A young man wishes to enter the family, to live under its roof, and become the husband of the daughter. He consults with the parents, and if they arrive at an agreement in regard to the amount of property he is to turn over to them, he takes up his abode in the hut and becomes the husband of the daughter. It may be that there are other young men desirous of partaking of the same good fortune. They are not at all deterred by the fact that the girl is already provided with a husband. They present themselves at the hut, make offers of certain property, and, unless the first husband has paid what is regarded in Tibet as a very large sum in order to secure the young woman as his exclusive possession, she becomes likewise the wife of these other claimants for her hand, and the whole family live together in the same hut and in the utmost harmony. It rarely happens that a young man thinks so much of the girl he weds in this peculiar fashion as to be jealous of others who also desire to be her husband. Now and then, however, such a case arises, and then there is likely to be bloodshed. He is a happy young man who is wealthy enough to become the sole lord and master of his wife. It is a question entirely of money. If the young Tibetan is rich enough he buys a wife and remains the only master of the household. Sometimes, also, the husband acquires sufficient property to buy out the interest؟ of the other husbands and then they retire from the field. They are generally content if they receive back a little more money than they paid for their interest in the young woman. The children are always regarded as belonging to the woman, and the fathers lay no claims upon them. Polyandry is not established by law, but it is a custom which probably arose at some time when the female population was less numerous than the male, and it has been continued largely on account of the poverty of the people. Polygamy is practiced as well as polyandry. While the poorest men have only a fractional interest in one wife, the rich men of the community have several wives. The chiefs have as many as they can buy. Financial considerations, therefore, have all to do with questions of matrimony. http://www.kashgar.com.au/articles/Polyandry-or-the-practice-of-taking-multiple-husbands

Quote: بعد سنين طويلة من بليع الناس لأدوية السكرى ألمانيا وفرنسا سحبت منتجاتها من سوق العلاج لأنهم وجدوا أنها تتسبب فى السرطان .. فتأمَّل ..)

Quote: نعم هناك جدل حول هذه المجموعه ومازال ال-Pioglitazone مستخدم في .المملكه المتحده ..والجمعه الأوربيه لدراسات السكري مازالت تحتفظ به في توصيتها لبروتوكولات العلاج ولكن هي ليست من أكثر أدوية السكر إنتشارا

Quote: شكراً أخ د. الصادق عبدالله .. جزئية علاج السكرى بالسرطان دى ــ ridiculous مش ؟ ــ ترجعنى لقضية العلوم التجريبية التى عملت ليكم فيها شمطة فى الفترة الفاتت .. وزى ما قلت أنها علوم هشة غير يقينية معتمدة على الـ trial and error ، أو التجريب ... الخوف مع المعلومة دى الناس ترجع لمقولة أسأل مجرّب ولا تسأل طبيب .. :)))) ومعذرة أخ قير تور على هذه العرضة خارج الموضوع ..

Quote: نعم هناك جدل حول هذه المجموعه ومازال ال-Pioglitazone مستخدم في .المملكه المتحده ..والجمعه الأوربيه لدراسات السكري مازالت تحتفظ به في توصيتها لبروتوكولات العلاج ولكن هي ليست من أكثر أدوية السكر إنتشارا ...https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ng28/chapter/1-Recommendations#/blood-glucose-managementhttps://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ng28/chapter/1-Recommendations#/blood-glucose-managementhttps://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ng28/chapter/1-Recommendations#/blood-glucose-managementhttps://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ng28/chapter/1-Rec...d-glucose-managementhttps://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ng28/chapter/1-Recommendations#/blood-glucose-managementhttps://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ng28/chapter/1-Rec...d-glucose-management- http://www.easd.org/images/easdwebfiles/statements/PositionStatement_ADA-EASD.pdfhttp://www.easd.org/images/easdwebfiles/statements/PositionStatement_ADA-EASD.pdfتحياتيhttp://www.easd.org/images/easdwebfiles/statements/PositionStatement_ADA-EASD.pdfhttp://www.easd.org/images/easdwebfiles/statements/Position...EASD.pdfتحياتيhttp://www.easd.org/images/easdwebfiles/statements/PositionStatement_ADA-EASD.pdfhttp://www.easd.org/images/easdwebfiles/statements/Position...EASD.pdfتحياتي ...ناسف للمداخلات خارج موضوع البوست

Quote: السلوك الغريزي لاي ذكر في الثديات ان مسالة تخصيب الانثى في قطيعه دي خط احمر وقتال حتى الموت

Quote: الكلام يا حاتم، غير دقيق!! الكلاب تتشارك الأنثى وهي تستطيع أن تحمل من أكثر من ذكر في نفس الوقت

Quote: مساء الخير غايتو السيخ ديل بالغو في الحركة دي الاسباب الاجتماعية شنو الادت لتشارك زوجة؟ قلة عدد النساء ام غلاء المهور السلوك الغريزي لاي ذكر في الثديات ان مسالة تخصيب الانثى في قطيعه دي خط احمر وقتال حتى الموت

Quote: سلامات الأخ قير تور تعرف.. الزمن ده فى حاجة إسمها so what؟ .. وذلك مفتاح الـacceptance لأى حاجة .. :) غايتو البركة إننا حضرنا زمن الإنترنت ده وبقينا نسمع بحالات زى دى .. حتى أساطير ود أمبعلو والبعاعيت بقت حقيقة !:) (هسه يقوم أنور يجينى ناطى:)).. لكين لو قدرت تحصل مرحلة الـ so what تكون وصلت مرحلة عدم الإندهاش وتقبُّل إى شئ .. فإذا الراجل وجد راجل يعاشر حليلته ويقوم يقول so what ... خلاس تانى مافى شئ فارق فى الدنيا دى .. الحاصل إنو هناك مجتمعات وصلت أبعد من so what .. زى مثلاً واحد أفريقى دعته إمرأة وزوجها فى إحدى دول أوروبا للعشاء .. وأثناء الجلسة قالت له إنها إتفقت مع زوجها على إن تحمل منه لتنجب لهم طفل أفريقى وذلك لرغبتهم فى طفل أسود .. فذُهل الرجل وعاين للزوج لقاهو يبتسم علامة الموافقة .. فصاحبنا قال ليهو.. أياااا الباطل .. وينو سيفك ؟؟ !!!... ده غير البدع بتاعة تبادل الزوجات والسكس الجماعى ووو شايف؟ .. الناس فاتت الـso what بغادى ... هسه السيخ ديل يقولوا عليهم شنو؟؟ .. تكونش هناك نسخة من فطرة بهيمية مخبوءة فى الطبيعة البشرية ؟؟ .. عموماً إذا الناس وصلت من التطور مرحلة so what، فالأولى نسب الأبناء لأمهم .. (سيبك من DNA دى .. أنا شبه متأكد إنو فى يوم من الأيام ستصبح فقاعة مشكوك فى دقتها !!.. زى ما هسة بعد سنين طويلة من بليع الناس لأدوية السكرى ألمانيا وفرنسا سحبت منتجاتها من سوق العلاج لأنهم وجدوا أنها تتسبب فى السرطان .. فتأمَّل ..)