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 Re: تساؤلات في القرآن (Re: Asim Fageary)
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عمار..
انا اؤمن بكل الكتاب المقدس والوحي يقول ان المسيح هو الخالق
وانت لاتستطيع تغير هذا الامر...يسوع بعد تجسده تكلم ,وقبل وبعد تجسده الروح القدس تحدث عن يسوع من خلال رجال حركهم الله....اذا انت لديك مشكله مع هذا الامر فهذه مشكلتك انت....
تقول,,,
مرة أخرى يا محب هذا كلامك انت و لكنه لا يوجد في كتابك. الاعداد التي أتيتك بها تقول ان هذا الكاهن لا أب و لا أم له و تزيد في الغلو و تقول انه لا بداية و لانهاية له. لم تذكر الاعداد ما اشرت له. هذه الصفات هي صفات الله و انتم تعطونها لكاهن قبل المسيح. سبحان الله الا تعقلون !!!
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انا ليس في مغالطه معك....في المسيحيه هنالك شئ يسمي
typology
وتابع معي كلام صديقي القسيس جون مكارثر....
Now there's much in the Scripture that comes under the category of typology. There are many theological terms that we use in Bible study and in Bible teaching. One of them is typology. Whenever we talk about a type, we mean an Old Testament picture of the person and work of Christ. For example, in the Old Testament, we read about a brazen serpent being lifted up, and all who looked upon the serpent were healed from the snakebites; and then we hear in John chapter 3 that that is a picture of Jesus Christ; and it says, "As the Son of Man was lifted...as the serpent was lifted up, so shall the Son of Man be lifted up, and those who look on Him in faith shall be healed from sin."
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تقول..
أمشي أسأل من أقنعوك بدينك هذا ان يعطونا الدليل من كتب اليهود أن من يقول إبن الله يعنى انه هو الله و له صفاته.
صدقني يا محب لو قالوا لك هكذا فقد خدعوك و كذبوا عليك كعادتهم دائما في التبشير بواسطة الكذب لان هذه عقيدة بوليسية (من بولس) عندهم.
و ما زلنا نتحداك يا محب ان تعطينا دليل من عقيدة اليهود ان من يقول "إبن الله" يقتل.
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من غير تحدي...روق اوكي...
انا لا ادرس يونانية العهد الجديد من القوقل وانما من مراجع يمكن شرائها
وسوف اعطيك اسم المرجع وانت اشتريه..المسيحيه من غير تحدي ولكن كتابيه ومتخصصه لان الكتاب المقدس واضح وانا لن اعيد كلامي حول معني ابن ...
...في العهد القديم النبي الكاذب يرجم واليهود الغير مؤمنيين
بيسوع ظنوا ان يسوع يكذب عندما قال لهم انه الله...لهذا ارادوا رجمه
لانه خالف الشريعه التي تقول..
22And the Lord said to Moses, Thus shall you say to the Israelites, You have seen for yourselves that I have talked with you from heaven.
23You shall not make [gods to share] with Me [My glory and your worship]; gods of silver or gods of gold you shall not make for yourselves.
والنصوص كثيره والنبي الكاذب يرجم....
20But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.
بعض اليهود نظروا ليسوع كنبي وهو كذلك في انسانيته ولكنهم اتهموا بالبلاسمي blasphemy
ومعناه ...
Theology . the crime of assuming to oneself the rights or qualities of God.
وانظر معي هذا النص...
اليهود حاولوا رجم يسوع مرتين لانه شبه نفسه وجعل نفسه الله
John 10:33 (King James Version)
33The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
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Matthew 26:64-66 (King James Version)
64Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
65Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy.
66What think ye? They answered and said, He is guilty of death.
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انا استخدم هذا المرجع لفهم لغة العهد الجديد وهو مرجع يمكنك شرائه
وهو معد بواسطه شخص يوناني
Complete Word Study New Testament w/ Parallel Greek: KJV Edition (Word Study Series) [Hardcover]
المؤلف
Spiros Zodhiates
Dr. Spiros Zodhiates (Greek: Σπύρος Ζωδιάτης; March 13, 1922[1]-October 10, 2009[2]) was a Greek-American Bible scholar, author, and ministry innovator. He was best known for his work in developing AMG (Advancing the Ministries of the Gospel) International, a Christian missions and relief agency with operations in over 40 countries, and for publishing The Hebrew-Greek KeyWord Study Bible, which indexes key terms in the English Bible with the words they were translated from in the original languages.
Zodhiates was born of Greek parents on the island of Cyprus. After completing his Greek education, he attended the American University in Cairo, Egypt, received his Th.B. degree from the National Bible Institute (now Shelton College) in New York, and his M.A. from New York University. In 1978 he earned his Doctor of Theology degree from Luther Rice Seminary of Jacksonville, Florida. He was also the recipient of several honorary doctorates.
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وللمره الاخيره
God the son =the son of God
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بخصوص كلمة عبد التي نقلتها من اعمال الرصل..هذه نصوص تتحدث عن يسوع وتواضعه في الارض وصار في هيئة انسان...
هذه النصوص تفهم علي ضؤ نصوص في اشعياء عن يسوع ولاتتحدث عن المؤمنيين
باسم يسوع هم وهم نحن اولاد او ابناء الله حسب الاستخدام المفردي
وتابع
من يوحنا
11He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
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هذا ما قاله يسوع لنا....كم هو جميل...
14Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
15Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
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من يوحنا النص...علاقتنا مع الله علاقة اسره مالكه وليس عبيد..لاننا في المسيح والمسيح فينا اذن لدينا سلام مع الله الآب...
من يوحنا 17
20Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
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ومن غير تحدي عمار,,,,انا ليس في معركه معك...وربنا يساعدني في اعطاك الاجابه المتخصصه لك لاني اعرف كيف يفكر المسلم...
بهدؤ...مامعني كلمة السيح
مامعني ان نقول ان المسيح كلمة الله
استخدم كل مصادرك الاسلاميه
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انا سوف ستخدم مصادر تاريخها قبل اسلام القرن السادس لشرح هذه الكلمات
في لغاتها الاصليه لكي نبين مجد الله...
سؤالي مره اخري...هل دري محمد معني القول
المسيح ابن الله.....
محبتي
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قبل ان انسي..نعم ليسوع حسب الجسد اخوه .. مريم استمرت في حياتها العاديه بعد ميلاد يسوع...وايضا نادي يسوع المؤمنيين به اخوته وهذه ناحيه روحيه
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لاحظ من عبرانيين الاصحاح الثاني
9But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
10For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
11For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
12Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.
13And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
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