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هل حقا سوف يعود المسيح يوما ماء?

    السلام
    قبل فتره قصيره دار في منتدي سوداني نقاش ومناظره حول عوده المسيح عليه الصلاه والسلام> هل حقاسوف يعود المسيح الي الارض لنصره الاسلام في آخر الزمان ?
    ماهي الادله التي تدعم هذا الحديث?

    ادله عقلانيه تلغي وتنفي عوده المسيح
    اولا المسيح نبي ورسول من المولي
    النبي محمد نبي وهو آخر المرسلين
    كون محمد آخر الانبياء اذن ليس هناللك مببر لعوده المسيح>> عوده المسيح سوف تلغي نبوة الرسول محمد << رسائل الله اكتملت مع اكتمال نزول القران علي
    النبي محمد اذن كلمات الله تامه ولاتحتاج لارجاع رسول توفاه الله ورفع روحه كالمسيح عليه السلام <


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    Intro by Muhib

    3:54 Behold! Allah Said: "O Isa! I shall cause you to die and I shall exalt you towards me and I shall clear you of those who reject Faith, and I am going to make those who follow you above those who reject Faith - until the day of Awakening. Then towards Me is your return, so that I shall decide among you as to in which you used to differ.

    The above verse is from "sora Al Umran" and it has been used as an opening statement in a debate took place in a Sudanese Forum (Sudan.net). The debate was about "the return of Isa" Is he back or is he not back? . It is known that Muslims believe that Isa will come back on earth to accomplish a mission. One party claimed that Isa isn't back and clearly the other party disagreed. I'm interested in the viewpoint showed that Isa isn't back.If you are a Muslim and have never gone over something like that ,please read the following article on. I believe this is the truth and it has to be shown to as many of you as possible. The following essay isn't only asking you to follow it ,but also asking you to think deep as to make your mind. I'm sorry that I'm using English ,but it is much easer for me since I'm struggling with the Arabic keyboard. Moreover ,this article itself is in English . I hope that isn't going to be a problem and I'm hoping to see a translation applied by anyone of you. Attention ! The following words were not written by me ,however , I do believe they represent the truth regarding this matter "The truth about the return of Isa or Jesus". .






    ادله قرآنيه تلغي عوده المسيح



    Natural Death of Jesus(pbuh)



    This is by Ayman c/o Zaytoon

    We have taken our time to compile this reserach and information....so please READ it and verify it if you want to respond...NO TIME WASTERS PLEASE

    c/o Zaytoon







    Muslims all over the world uphold the Christian faith that Jesus(pbuh) is alive. The whole foundation of the Christian faith is rested on this concept and most Muslims overtly support their viewpoint. Somehow the Christian concept has infiltrated in Muslim faith long ago and now it seems it is part and parcel of Islamic concept.

    Muslims take the help of two sites from the Holy Quran to obtain support for their viewpoint. The verses are 3:54 from Surah Al-e Imran and 4:157-158 from Surah An-Nisa’.

    We will give you correct translation of the verses, word for word, so that you can get the point. It is a sad that many Muslims blame the correct translation to be false and cite incorrect translations as authentic. We will show you several examples of correct and incorrect translations so that any sensible person can find out the true picture.

    Analysis of the verse 3:54 from Surah Ale Imran


    In the verse 3:54 Allah says:

    3:54 Behold! Allah Said: "O Isa! I shall cause you to die and I shall exalt you towards me and I shall clear you of those who reject Faith, and I am going to make those who follow you above those who reject Faith - until the day of Awakening. Then towards Me is your return, so that I shall decide among you as to in which you used to differ.


    They key words here are : Ya Isa, inni mutawaffika wa rafi’uka ilaiya
    Meaning: "O Isa! I shall cause you to die and I shall exalt you towards me….."


    Interpretation of the word ‘wafat’:


    The key word here is "wafat" . The most correct meaning of "wafat" is death, or take away soul. If soul is taken away from a person, it is nothing but death. The problem arises with regards to this verse, when Muslims refuse to interpret the meaning of "wafat" as death. Irony is that all scholars who translated the Holy Quran do agree "wafat" means death.


    Each and every scholar translated the word "wafat" as death in at least 20 different instances in their translations. However, in this particular verse, they interpreted the meaning as ‘take away’ and insinuate physical ascension.

    These translators did not hesitate to twist the actual meaning of the word of Allah to support Christian faith and to some extent weak Hadith narrated by Wahab bin Munnabba, Kab Akbar and one isolated Hadith by Abu Hurairaa.

    While the Quran is the word of Allah, Hadith is word of a person. Hadith is not the words of Allah. A person can err, Allah can not err. That is why we often refer to some Hadith as Sahih Hadith - i.e. True Hadith. Because some Hadith may not be true. We don’t say the same thing about the Quran that some of its verses are Sahih verse and some are doubtful! This fact itself indicates that a few Hadith are not absolutely correct.

    Hadith is the sayings of prophet Muhammad(pbuh), but the prophet himself did not write down the Hadith. Several generation after the death of the prophet, Hadith was compiled by scholars. In this process hundreds of Hadith were rejected as they appeared to be false. In the end when the scholars agreed that a particular Hadith is correct, it was compiled into a book.


    In spite of this we consider some Hadith to be true and some as weak. Some Muslims even say that for one correct Hadith there are thousands of false Hadith. This boils down to the fact that there are few Hadith that are not true. Fact remains that Hadith is a collection of words of a person, by persons. Please don't misunderstand, I am not saying reject all Hadith.


    My contention is that the position of the Quran is superior to Hadith. Whenever a Hadith comes to contradict a Quranic verse, the Quran must prevail, not the Hadith. But to most Muslims, the argument is Hadith has to be correct no matter what, because so many scholars unanimously certified that those are Sahih or True!!!

    So to ratify a Hadith, let the Quran become wrong or let one verse of the Quran contradict another verse, who cares? Let Allah’s word be confusing and contradictory, a Muslim is happy because to him Hadith is absolute!!! What a shame!


    In the verse 3:54, two conditions are stipulated about Jesus(pbuh):
    first, Allah will cause his Death,
    second, he will be raised.


    The second condition can not take place till the first condition is met. In other words, before Jesus(pbuh) can be raised, first, he must die. Let us see various translations of the same verse.


    Correct translation : "O Isa! I shall cause you to die and I shall exalt you towards me…"

    Yusuf Ali : "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself…"

    Pickthall : "O Jesus! Lo! I am gathering thee and causing thee to ascend unto Me..."

    Rashad Khalifa : "O Jesus! I am terminating your life, raising you to Me….."

    Mohammad Sarwar : He told Jesus, "I will save you from your enemies, raise you to Myself..."

    M. H. Shakir : "O Isa! I am going to terminate the period of your stay (on earth) and cause you to ascend unto Me"

    Al-Hilali & M. Khan "O 'Iesa (Jesus)! I will take you and raise you to Myself…."

    Farooq-i-Azam Malik: "O Isa (Jesus)! I am going to recall you (from your mission) and raise you up to Myself...."


    Ahmed Ali: "O Jesus! I will take you to Myself and exalt you….."


    Yusuf Ali: "take thee" is not the appropriate meaning of "wafat". ‘Take thee’ may mean death in a literal sense, but looks like Yusuf Ali avoided the debate whether it was death or physical rising. Thus he left the issue with plenty of conjecture.

    Elsewhere, wherever the word "wafat" was used in the Holy Quran, Yusuf Ali translated the word as "take soul" "die" or "death". But in this case he is in utter confusion. Rating ***


    Pickthall: "Lo!" is an extra word interpolated in the Quran. "I am gathering" is way off the closest meaning of "wafat". Allah uses a future verb here, use of "I am" is grossly incorrect. Similarly, "causing" is a present verb and is wrong. By using "ascend" Pickthall is insinuating a physical rising rather than exalt in honor. Rating **


    Rashad Khalifa: Use of present verb "I am" is wrong. Similarly, "terminating" and "rising" are present verbs and are wrong, however, use of terminating as meaning of death is more accurate than 'collect' or 'recall'.


    Mohammad Sarwar: He left out the word "O Jesus" in the translation. Here Allah addressed Jesus(pbuh) by name. To translate the word as Allah told Jesus is inappropriate. "Save you from the enemies" is extra word interpolated in the Quran! Sarwar totally omitted the word "warafiuka" in his translation, instead interpolated his own thoughts in the translation. Rating * or worse.


    M.H. Shakir: "terminate the period of your stay (on earth)" is verbose. This could very well mean death, but when he added ‘on earth’ in parenthesis, his intention is obvious. He is not referring to death. Rather, Shakir is clearly referring to Jesus’(pbuh) tenure on the earth is over and now he is spending the rest of his life in the outside of the earth.


    Al-Hilali & M. Khan: Translation is identical to that of Yusuf Ali. "take you" is not the appropriate meaning of "wafat". ‘Take you’ may mean death in a literary sense, but looks like Hilali & Khan avoided the debate whether it was death or physical rising. Thus he left the issue with plenty of conjecture.

    Elsewhere, wherever the word "wafat" was used in the Holy Quran, they translated the word as "die" or "death". Rating ***

    Farooq Malik: Strong denial to use 'death' as the meaning - instead there is obvious suggestion that Jesus's mission is temporarily stopped, to be resumed in future! Far too many unwarranted words to justify his conditioned faith learned during childhood or in heresy. Use of 'recall from your mission' is nothing but clear suggestion that death did not occur.

    Ahmed Ali: Utter confusion and awkward denial to use the word 'death'. Ali admits that Jesus will be exalted in status, but confused about what happened prior to exaltation. First Jesus will be taken to Allah and then exalted. Ali failed miserably in translating the sentence as presented by Allah. Rating *

    From this analysis we can see how these scholars have changed the words of Allah according to their own will and to support what they learned during their childhood and now they are conditioned to think that way. Some have mistaken the correct use of verbs(Pickthall, Khalifa).

    Some have omitted key words and interpolated fabricated words (Pickthall, Sarwar, Malik) and passed it over as Allah’s word! To derive a remote synonym for a word is one thing (Yusuf Ali, Shakir, Al-Hilali & M. Khan. Malik) but to fabricate additional words and omit key words are gross act of negligence and corruption.

    The most correct meaning of the word "wafat" is death. Wherever in the Holy Quran the word "wafat" is used, all these translators derived the meaning as death, except in this verse 3:54, where they don’t see "wafat" as death!!!!

    What is the problem here?

    Why are they contradicting the meaning of 'wafat'?

    What stops them from translating the words of Allah in its true context?

    They are seeing imaginary words only to support heresy they learned during their childhood.

    Here are some of the verses in the Holy Quran where Allah used the word "wafat". The verses are 2:234, 2:240, 3:193, 4:15, 4:97, 6:61, 7:37, 7:126, 8:50, 10:46, 10:104, 12:101, 13:40, 16:28, 16:32, 16:70, 39:42, 40:67, 40:77, 47:27 etc.

    In each of the instances, all these scholars translated the word "wafat" as death, or a word very close to death but none of them used a word to mean take away in alive condition. Let us examine some of the verses and see how these translators derived the meaning of "wafat" in these instances.

    Verse 3:193 Yusuf Ali: "…and take to Thyself our souls in the company of the righteous"

    Pickthall: "…and make us die the death of the righteous."
    Khalifa: "…..let us die as righteous believers"
    Sarwar: "…let us die with the righteous ones."
    Shakir: "….and make us die with the righteous."
    Hilali & Khan: "……and make us die in the state of righteousness…."
    Farooq Malik: "…And make us die with the righteous."
    Ahmed Ali: "…And grant us (the glory of) death with the just."
    Verse 4:15
    Yusuf Ali: "…until death to claim them…."
    Pickthall: "…until death take them…."
    Khalifa: "…until they die,…"
    Sarwar: "…until they die…"
    Shakir: "….until death takes them away…"
    Hilali & Khan: "…until death comes to them…"
    Farooq Malik: "…until they die..."
    Ahmed Ali: "…until death ..."
    Verse 7:126 Yusuf Ali: "…and take our soul unto thee as Muslims!"
    Pickthall: "…and make us die as men who have surrendered."
    Khalifa: "…And let us die as submitters."
    Sarwar: "…let us die Muslims (submitted to God)."
    Shakir: "…and cause us to die in submission."
    Hilali & Khan: "…And cause us to die as Muslims."
    Farooq Malik: "…And cause us to die as Muslims."
    Ahmed Ali: "….that we may die submitting (to You)."
    Verse 10:46 Yusuf Ali: "…or We take thy soul…"
    Pickthall: "…cause thee to die,…"
    Khalifa: "…or terminate your life…."
    Sarwar: "…or you die…"
    Shakir: "….or cause you to die…."
    Hilali & Khan: "…. - or We cause you to die,- ….
    Farooq Malik: "…Or cause you to die…."
    Ahmed Ali: "…or take you to Ourself,..."
    Verse 12:101
    Yusuf Ali: "…take Thou my soul (at death) as one submitting…"
    Pickthall: "… Make me to die muslim (unto Thee), …"
    Khalifa: "…Let me die as submitter…"
    Sarwar: "…cause me to die as a Muslim…"
    Shakir: "…make me die a Muslim…."
    Hilali & Khan: "…cause me to die as a Muslim…"
    Farooq Malik: "… make me die as a Muslim …"
    Ahmed Ali: "…let me die submitting to You."

    You many go ahead and verify the translations of all other verses. If you do so, you will start discovering an emerging corruption (pardon me) by all the scholars. They misguided you by not translating a word correctly. Given all these facts, may we conclude that Jesus(pbuh) must die first before he can be raised?

    Some Muslims say that ‘wafat’ here means death of Jesus(pbuh) after his descent from the Heavens in the later years. Good thing is that these Muslims do agree that 'wafat' means death! Please note, the verse here clearly denotes his relationship with his own people and not with any other people of the later days. The people of the later days would admittedly be followers of Muhammad(pbuh) and not of Jesus(pbuh).




    اود ان اعرف رائ الاخوه الجمهورين لو سمحتم وكل المسلمين
    للحديث بقيه


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    Interpretation of the word "rafa" – to raise/to exalt:





    In the same verse 3:54 use of two words "wafat" and "rafa" may have led you to a double jeopardy. On top of that you are under constant influence of Christian doctrine.

    As a result you simply believe that Jesus(pbuh) did not die and instead was raised alive in heaven. In doing so, you are actually believing the Christian faith and failing to see the true teaching of the Quran. Not only that, now you are making one verse of the Quran contradict another.

    The meaning of the word is ‘to raise’, ‘to exalt’. In order to validate the Christian faith, first, you refuse to see ‘wafat’ as death, and then interpret ‘rafa’ as physical ascension. When these two incorrect interpretations are combined, you find that Jesus(pbuh) was raised to the heaven.


    Let us examine the use of the word ‘rafa’ in the Quran. The word ‘rafa’ occurred many times in the Quran conveying a meaning of spiritual honor and exaltation. Please note carefully what Allah says in the verse. He is saying that Jesus(pbuh) will be raised towards Him and not towards Heaven. So the question of Jesus(pbuh) being alive in the Heaven can not arise, because he was not raised in the Heaven.

    In the literal context even if we think that he was raised bodily near Allah, question comes, where is Allah? Is He ensconced somewhere in the sky, in Heaven or in a throne like a king? Didn’t Allah say that He is omnipresent – in other words, He is present everywhere?

    Would you say that Allah is confined in a physical body towards which He raised Jesus(pbuh)?

    Please answer, how can Jesus(pbuh) be raised to sky or Heaven when Allah said he will be raised towards Him. And that Allah is present everywhere (2:115); Allah is nearer to man than his heart (8:24); Allah is nearer to man than his jugular vein (50:16).


    If that be true, then Jesus(pbuh) could not have been raised physically and bodily in to the sky. If really he was needed to be raised bodily towards Allah, then he could very well stay in Jerusalem, yet be near Allah - because Allah is present everywhere and in Jerusalem too.


    This drives home the true meaning of the word ‘rafa’ – exalt in honor and/or exalt in spiritual dignity. This verse tells us that while the Jews were planning to kill him, (he will not be killed, rather) Allah will cause him to die a natural death and sanctify him against the charges of the enemies. Once again, please notice the sentence: Ya Isa, inni mutawaffika WA rafi’uka ilaiya… that is ‘rafa’ will take place only after the ‘wafat’.

    ‘Rafa’ after death can not mean physical ascension, but only exaltation in rank. This is more implied when the words ‘I shall clear you of those who reject Faith’ are present with it.

    This shows that while Jews plotted heinous crime against him, and brought him utter disgrace and condemned him as a cheat and planned to put him to a shameful death on the cross etc. Allah will instead save him and exalt him in honor and dignity.


    Since the use of the word 'rafa' raised Jesus(pbuh) alive, the use of the same word in case of other prophets must do the same thing! Ask yourself, if you know of any other prophet who was raised alive in the Heaven? None? What about Prophet Idris(pbuh)? Regarding Idris(pbuh)

    Allah says in Surah Maryam 19:57 as: And We raised him to an elevated state. (WA rafa’naa hu…). The use of ‘rafa’ here should prompt you to declare that Allah raised Idris(pbuh) in alive condition in the Heaven or at least to a place hanging high above.

    If we apply the same logic, in case of Jesus(pbuh), use of the word 'rafa' kept him alive for 2000 years; therefore the same use of the word 'rafa' in case of Idris(pbuh) must keep him alive for 2000 years or so. The problem now is about these two alive people in the Heaven – Jesus(pbuh) and Idris(pbuh).

    The Muslims already made stories and speculations that Jesus(pbuh) will descend from the Heaven in the later days, but what about Idris(pbuh)? Has Idris(pbuh) come down already or when is he going to descend or is he going to stay there perpetually?


    The word ‘rafa’ was used in different places in the Quran to mean spiritual honor and exaltation. Let us see some of the examples:
    Great Prophets like Muhammad(pbuh) are exalted.


    43:32 …And We have raised some of them above others in rank. (…WA rafa’ na…)
    94:4 And We have exalted for you your mention (…WA rafa’ NA…)
    Prophet Ibrahim(pbuh) has been exalted by Allah.
    6:84 ….We exalt in degrees whom We please (…narfa’u darazaa…)
    Prophet Idris(pbuh) has been exalted by Allah.
    19:57 And We raised him to an elevated state. (WA rafa’naa hu…)
    Righteous servants of Allah are raised in degrees.
    6:166 …and He raises some of you above the others in degrees…. (…WA rafa’ aa
    ba’dakum…)
    7:176 And had We wished We would invariably exalted him; …. (…rafa’naa hu….)
    56:3 It will abase it will exalt (…rafi’aah…)
    All good deeds are raised towards Allah.
    35:10 …all pure speech and all good deed, --He exalts it…. (…yarfa’uhu. …)
    House of pious Muslims are raised high by Allah.
    24:36 in (certain) houses which Allah has permitted to be raised up… (…an turfa’a WA yuzkara…)


    From this discussion we see that no where the use of ‘rafa’ meant physical ascension. However, in 3:54 verse, you would interpret physical ascension just to validate the Christian faith. Whereas, if we honestly translate the word 'wafat' as death, then 'rafa' after death cannot mean physical ascension, rather exaltation in honor.


    The tendency of Muslims is to destroy the teaching of the Quran only to validate the Christian dogma. Believe it or not, many Muslims approach the Quran like hypocrites – believe part of it and reject part of it. Muslims don’t want to believe in the total Quran. When this is pointed out to you, your defensive answers are:


    all Muslims believe Jesus(pbuh) was raised alive, so I also believe it (I don’t care what the Quran says);....if I believe Jesus(pbuh) was not raised alive, then I become Qadiani, and I don't want to be a Qadiani;

    my forefathers believed Jesus(pbuh) was raised alive, were they wrong? I would rather follow my forefathers (instead of following the teaching of Quran).


    I faced similar dilemma when I was approaching the truth. Eventually I was able to reconcile the verses of the Quran and not make one verse contradict another. I was able to come out of the influence of Christian faith in Islam and find out the true meanings. At this time I don’t care what Qadianis say. My identity is Muslim, my religion is Islam and I believe what Allah and Rasul say.


    My aim is not to blame you for believing in certain way. My aim is to show you that you have been kept in darkness, away from the truth. Unlike others, I am not jumping into conclusions by force, rather I am trying to show you the true picture, and leaving the decision to yourself. With this let us revisit two verses from Surah Ale Imran, 3:53-54.


    3:53 And they made plots and Allah made His plans. And Allah is the most Excellent of the plan-makers.


    3:54 Behold! Allah said: ‘O Isa! I shall cause you to die and I shall exalt you towards me and I shall clear you of those who reject Faith, and I am going to make those who follow you above those who reject Faith - until the day of Awakening. Then towards me is your return so that I shall decide among you as to that in which you used to differ.


    In case of each prophets, Allah made plans against plots made by oppressors. This is the practice of Allah to protect His messengers at the time of aggression of enemies. Allah protected Musa, Ibrahim, Yusuf, Lut, Muhammad (pbu them) to name a few.

    In case of Jesus(pbuh) snatching him away from the enemies and lifting him alive in the Heaven can not be called a subtle and better plan of Allah when neither was it in the power of Jews nor in the power of anybody to counter it. In fact a better and subtle plan can be designed against another plan when it is contrived in a parallel manner.


    Analysis of the verses 4:157-158 from Surah An-Nisa’
    Verse 4:157-158 from Surah An-Nisa' are the other two verses often analyzed to prove that Jesus(pbuh) did not die. Let us examine to see if the contention is valid one or a corrupt analysis.
    In the verse 4:157-158, Allah says:


    4:157 And (because of) their saying: "Surely we have killed the Masih, - ‘Isa, son of Mar-yam" the Rasul of Allah, and they could not murder him, nor could they kill him by crucifixion, but he was made to resemble to them. And verily those who differ regarding him are certainly in a doubt about him. They have no knowledge about it but are merely following a guess; and they could not kill him for certain;


    4:158 On the contrary, Allah exalted him towards Himself. And Allah is Exalted in Power, most Wise.
    …WA ma qataluhu yaqinan (157). Bal rafa’ahu-llahu ilaihi …..(15


    The Jews always claimed that they killed the Masih, the son of Maryam. Allah is telling Muhammad(pbuh) that although they claimed that they killed the Masih, in reality they could not murder him nor could they kill him by crucifixion. Then again, in the very same verse, Allah is telling that they could not kill him for certain.


    Two types of death are being discussed here (a) a general murder (b) killing by crucifixion. The Jews wanted to cause either of the two types of death to Jesus(pbuh). Allah assures us that they failed to cause either type of death to him.

    The traditional Muslim faith is that since Jesus(pbuh) was not murdered or killed by crucifixion, only possibility is that he is alive somewhere!!! Muslims totally ignore the fact that Jesus(pbuh) could have died a natural death later on! If Jesus(pbuh) died a natural death, it is still valid that the Jews could not (a) murder him or (b) kill him by crucifixion.



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12-27-2004, 03:52 PM

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    Invention of a story:Crucifixion


    Although every attempt was done to prove that Jesus(pbuh) evaded death and was raised alive, because of verse 3:54, the Muslims could not prove conclusively that Jesus(pbuh) was raised alive. So they took the refuge of verses 4:157-158 to justify the belief. In order to substantiate the belief, now they invented a rambling story that has no support from the Quran. However, let us analyze the story.

    According to the story, on the eve of actual crucifixion, a different person's features became exactly like Jesus(pbuh). The Jews mistook the other person (Jehova?) as actual Jesus(pbuh) and hanged the wrong person on the cross.

    We don’t want to go into the debate of how absurd it is for person's features to get changed. Let us give the benefit of doubt by saying that the other person's features did not change but to the Jews it appeared so. They mistook the other person to be actual Jesus(pbuh).

    Regardless of whether this story is true or false, regardless of whether Jesus(pbuh) was hanged on cross or not, fact remains that he could not have been raised before his DEATH, as testified by verse 3:54.

    If he was raised alive, then the verses 4:157-158 and 3:54 are in contradiction. The Muslim scholars will never want you find out that their preaching are contradictory and that they cannot conclusively reconcile these and several other verses.

    Let me show you an extreme case of corruption. This translation is of verse 4:157, done by Hilali & Khan and published by the Saudi Government. They have placed Arabic text by the side of the English translation.

    Any naïve reader would think that the translation is representing the actual Arabic wordings. A naïve reader may further think that the combination of Hilali &Khan and Saudi Government must have produced correct teaching. On the contrary, it is incorrect and corrupt. You will be surprised to see the extent of manipulation. Let us examine:

    4:157 Hilali & Khan :"And because of their saying (in boast) "We killed Messiah Isa (Jesus) son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," -but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of Isa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man)….

    Please note carefully, Hilali & Khan translated the Arabic WA lakin subbiha lahum as "but the resemblance of Isa (Jesus) was put over another man".

    In the actual Arabic where are the words "of Isa" and "another man"? How dare Hilali & Khan put interpolated words inside the translation and surreptitiously suggest that these were "revealed text"?

    Did Allah reveal these words secretly to them, because apparently He forgot to reveal to Muhammad(pbuh) (nauzubillah!!!!).

    Or do they mean that they know better than Allah? Please note, Yusuf Ali, Pickthall, Shakir, Rodwell, and many others did not go this extreme.

    Only adamant and utterly corrupt people, including Hilali & Khan may keep arguing that the translation is OK. Do I have to dig out the their eyes to show that "of Isa" and "another man" is not in there in the actual Arabic. They say this theory is based on some Hadith or Islamic consensus or something! Well, then put those interpolated and false words inside parenthesis, will you?

    Put all the babble and fraudulent stories as commentary in the footnote and not as translation. Don’t fool the Muslims with this notion that all the junk and fabricated words are "revealed text". Suffice it say at this time that Hilali & Khan's this translation is corrupt, false and adulterated. This is just one example of how they are cheating Muslims, and naïve Muslims are digesting the falsehood.



    If we leave aside the stories and concentrate on understanding the verse we will see a different perspective. In the verse 4:157 please notice carefully, WA lakin subbiha lahum means "He was made to resemble to them" or "it was made to resemble to them" or "a likeness of that was made for them" or "a similitude was made for them" -- not "someone was made to resemble him". In the sentences, "it" or "that" refers to the incident and not a person. So Jehova resembling Jesus(pbuh) can not arise.

    It was Jesus(pbuh) who was made to "resemble" to them. Resemble to the very issue in question here: likeness or similitude of death. The issue is not Jesus(pbuh) resembling a different person or a different person resembling Jesus(pbuh). Jesus(pbuh) was set up on the cross and he was made (by Allah) to resemble to them (as if he really died) by sending him to a comatose or fainted state.

    The Jews took a fainted or comatose Jesus(pbuh) as dead. "Verily those who differ regarding him are certainly in a doubt about him." The word "differ" here refers to the those people who, at that time and later on refuse the clarification given by Allah that "….

    They could not murder him nor could they crucify him….". It is also possible that they would differ with their original contention that "Surely we have killed the Masih - 'Isa son of Maryam".

    Question remains, why should there be confusion if they really, positively and absolutely killed Jesus(pbuh) by crucifixion? Remains of his body should have been somewhere in Jerusalem to prove their contention.

    However, based on the clarification given by Allah, based on the fact that he lived till he had gray hairs (3:45, 5:40 - discussed next), based on various happenings after the incidence of crucifixion and in absence of any proof of his tomb in Jerusalem, they were in doubt whether these people really killed Jesus(pbuh) or not.

    This confusion among "those" people came up because after the incidence of crucifixion, they may have heard about Jesus(pbuh) talking, walking and mixing with his disciples (openly or secretly).

    If they really killed Jehova taking him to be Jesus(pbuh), then his mortal remains or tomb should have been somewhere in Jerusalem. This tomb should have come to be recognized as the tomb of Jesus(pbuh).

    In reality there is no tomb in Jerusalem that was ever identified or can be identified (correctly or otherwise) as the tomb of Jesus(pbuh).

    In Summary: The confusion arises because Allah said "…they did not crucify him.." What is important to understand is the word means ‘to kill by crucifixion’.

    The reason Jews put a person on the cross is to kill him according to their custom. They would not put a person on the cross and later let him go away. So, the word "crucify" has an inherent meaning of killing by crucifixion. Killing by crucifixion was their intent, and with this intent they did put him on the cross, however, they failed to kill him.

    Please read an interesting site about substitution theory: Was Jesus Substituted on the Cross?


    Many Muslims say verse 4:159 indicates Jesus(pbuh) will come back. If you think so, please read an interpretation of the verse 4:159: Interpretation of Verse 4:159.


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    What Happened to Jesus(pbuh) After The Incidence of Crucifixion?




    ماذا حدث للمسيح بعد حادثه الصلب

    Evidences from the Bible and other authentic history tells us that Jesus(pbuh) was tried on the cross when he was 32 years old. For the sake of debate, if Allah did not raise him alive and if he did not die on the cross, what happened to him thereafter? Are there any evidence from the Quran? Trust me, there are evidences.

    In Surah Ale Imran, Allah says:

    3:45 And he will speak to the people in the cradle and then of gray-haired age and (he will be) one of the righteous

    5:110 ... you speak to the people in the cradle and in old age.....

    23:50 ... We sheltered them in a plateau having meadows and springs.






    Various commentators of the Quran do agree about the use of words 'gray-haired age' and 'old age'. However, they contend that old age refers to the time when he will descend from the sky. As we can see from this discussion, Jesus(pbuh) was not raised alive in the Heaven and he is dead. This gray hair age must have happened while he was still living during his time, some 2000 years ago. Then Allah also tells us that Jesus(pbuh) was later on sheltered in a place full of meadows and springs. These verses supports other verses and we can further ascertain that Jesus(pbuh) survived the incidence of crucifixion and lived up to old age.
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12-27-2004, 03:56 PM

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    Is Jesus(pbuh) Alive?




    All traditional Muslims join the Christians and declare that Jesus(pbuh) is alive in Heaven. Muslims say that Allah raised Jesus alive and placed him beside Himself. If that is true, then today, his age is nearly 2,000 years!!! How is it possible for a man to live that long ?

    A Muslim will say, why not, if Allah wishes, He can do anything. No doubt about it, yes, Allah is the Almighty, and He has the capability to do anything.

    But the question is will Allah do this? Will Allah break the rule of nature? Will Allah break the same rule that He has set forth? Let us investigate this issue here:

    67:3 Who has created the seven heavens in harmony. You can not see in the creation of the Rahman any inconsistency. Then turn again the gaze. Do you see any crack?

    67:4 And then turn again the search once more, the eyesight will return to you defeated, while it is fatigued.

    There are several other verses where Allah says there is no change in the course of Allah, that there is uniformity in the law of nature.

    17:77 … And you will not find any change in Our course.

    30:30 … there is no altering in the creation of Allah

    33:62 … and you will not find any alteration in the course of Allah.

    35:43 … But you will never find any change in the course of Allah and you will never find any shifting in the course of Allah.

    48:23 the law of Allah which has been in operation from before, and you will never find any change in the course of Allah.

    Which law of Allah has been in operation since before? Is it just the law of earth moving around the sun and movement of the planets and nothing more? What would you say about the law of birth, senescence and death? Don’t you agree that even birth and death are laws of Allah?

    That flower bloom, wind blows, day and night happen, sunrise and sunset—everything is in accordance to the law of Allah. Then Allah testifies you will never find any change in the course of Allah. Had there been a change, don’t you think Allah would have specifically told us so?

    If Jesus(pbuh) is alive in the Heaven, his age today is more than 2000 years!! How can he live that long defying rules and laws set forth by Allah?

    Are we not making words of Allah contradict when we say in case of Jesus(pbuh) Allah changed his law and made him live that long?

    This brings us to the next question: can a person live that long? Let us see what Allah has to say about it.

    16:70 And Allah creates you, then He causes you to die; and among you someone is caused to return to the worst of the age, resulting in his not knowing anything after knowledge. Allah is truly all Knowing, most Capable.

    22:5 … And of you is one who is caused to die, and among you is one who is turned back to the worst part of life until he does not know anything after having known...

    36:68 And whomsoever We lengthen life, We reverse him in constitution

    These verses tell us that whoever lives too long, Allah returns them as crippled and not knowing anything after knowledge. This is more like a cycle of life. Birth --> Infancy --> Childhood --> Adulthood --> Old age.

    At very old age, a person reverts to a state much like infancy, depending on assistance for almost every daily routine: eating, bath, walking, toilet etc. As if Allah reverts the person in constitution (36:6 and makes him another infant. Like an infant, at this time he does not remember things and has no knowledge of events around him.

    In this context, if Jesus(pbuh) is allowed to live that long, by now he is so crippled and in the worst part of life that there is no use of him to come back and do anything for Islam. In fact he cannot do anything worthwhile at that age.

    Thus you can see, when a Muslim denies the death of Jesus(pbuh) he is putting so many verses of the Quran to contradict each other. Most Muslims don’t realize that they are putting one verse to contradict another. When it is pointed out to them, they get so alarmed that now they try desperately to justify themselves.

    They successfully justify themselves, however, in the process first they invent several ridiculous stories, then they mutilate the translation to gain support for these stories and then they approach the Quran like hypocrites – believe part of it and reject part of it.

    They interpolate new words in translation as if these were Allah’s words and refrain from correctly translating a particular word.

    The Quran cannot support the stories they invent. Rather these rambling stories contradict the Quran again and again. It is sad that Muslims don’t want to believe in the total Quran.
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12-27-2004, 03:57 PM

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    More Proof of Death of Jesus(pbuh)






    There are several convincing proofs in the Quran regarding death of all living being and particularly all Rasuls. Most Muslim don’t like to pay attention to this for various reasons, mainly due to fear of being caught in double jeopardy regarding Jesus(pbuh) death.

    If one does not believe in these verses and teachings, then he is in a way rejecting part of the scripture and believing in those parts that suits him. Like a hypocrite.

    Let us begin with the verse from Surah Ma'idah where Allah says as under:

    5:75 The Messiah, son of Maryam, was none but a Rasul, surely the Rasuls have passed away before him. And his mother was a truthful woman and they both used to take food…

    Among other things, this verse tells two things:

    (1) Jesus(pbuh) was only a Rasul,

    (2) Rasuls before him have passed away.

    Based on this, we can interpret that since all Rasuls before Jesus(pbuh) passed away, he too will pass away. Both you and I agree to this, but the question is when he will pass away? I say he passed away after spending his normal life, you say that he is alive and eventually he will pass away when he will come back on the earth, revive Islam and so on.

    It is important to understand the meaning of the words ‘passed away’. If you think ‘passed away’ do not mean ‘death’, then there must be other prophets who are alive. You must specifically tell us which other prophet(s) before Jesus(pbuh) did not die and living at that time. Since we know that all prophets before Jesus(pbuh) are dead, the use of words ‘passed away’ clearly means death.


    If the above verse is not all convincing to you, let us explore another verse from Surah Ale Imran. In the battle of Uhud, prophet Muhammad(pbuh), leading the Muslim army, fell down injured.

    A rumor spread that Prophet has been killed. The Muslims were in despair and brokenhearted. At that moment, in order to instill confidence and boost morale of the Muslim army, a revelation came saying:

    3:143 Muhammad is no more than a Rasul, surely the Rasuls before him have already passed away. If then he dies or be killed, will you turn upon your heels?…

    Among other things, this verse tells two things:

    (1) Muhammad(pbuh) was only a Rasul,

    (2) Rasuls before him have passed away.

    In the verse 5:75, we know that all Rasuls before Jesus(pbuh) died, but right now based on this verse alone we are not sure about him. Then in verse 3:143, we further come to know that all Rasuls before Muhammad(pbuh) passed away. We already concluded ‘passed away’ in the verse 5:75 meant ‘death’.

    In this verse, the meaning of 'passed away' is very clearly given by Allah as (a) he dies, (b) be killed. So by 'passing away' Allah meant death and killing and nothing else.

    Thus we can conclude that the use of the same word in verse 3:143 can not mean anything different other than death. If Jesus(pbuh) was an exception and did not pass away, Allah surely would have mentioned it. It is not a small exception by any means.

    These two verses are so convincing and unambiguous that there should not be any doubt about his death! But alas! Muslim people have tremendous hesitation in accepting the words of Allah! The verse conclusively proves that Jesus(pbuh) who arrived more than 600 years earlier to Muhammad(pbuh) has definitely passed away.

    Remember, if you don’t believe the teaching of the verses, you are not believing the total Quran. When the verse 3:143 was revealed, if the Muslims had any knowledge that Jesus(pbuh) was still alive, they would have raised a question.

    Much later, when Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) actually died, it was hard for Muslims to accept the sad news. Thinking that it was conspiracy of the rumormongers, Hazrat Umar (r) drew his sword and declared that whosoever would say that Muhammad(pbuh) was dead, he will behead him

    At this critical situation, Hazrat Abu Bakar arrived, seeing the critical situation, he went into the hut of the Prophet and ascertained the truth.

    Then he came out and recited the same verse from Surah Ale Imran 3:143 and further declared that whosoever wants to worship Muhammad, let him know that he is dead, and whosoever wants to worship Allah, let him know that Allah is all abiding.

    This incidence conclusively proves that all the companions of the Prophet and Caliphs knew that all Rasuls before Muhammad(pbuh) had died. If the companions believed that Jesus(pbuh) was still alive, then at least someone would have raised a point here.

    If this is not enough, let us explore more verses. From verse 5:75 above, we already know that "the Messiah, son of Maryam was none but a Rasul…". Let us see what Allah tells about Rasuls in general.

    In Surah Al-Anbiya' verse 21:7-8, Allah declares:

    21:7 We did not send before you (O Muhammad(pbuh)) any but man to whom We sent revelations; therefore you ask the followers of the Reminder if you do not know

    21:8 And We did not give them bodies not taking food and neither are they abiding

    Among other things, the important findings from these verses are:

    (1) All Rasuls were human beings

    (2) Their mortal bodies sustained on food

    (3) They are all dead

    The Quran categorically tells that all prophets were human being, they were not superhuman or god. Because they were human beings, whatever is natural to a human being has to apply to them as well. All human being eat food for sustenance, so also all Rasuls were dependent on food for sustenance of their physical bodies.

    25:20 And We did not send before you any the Rasuls, but they surely ate food and walked through the street.

    Whatever applies to human being has to apply to Rasuls also. Emphasis on such mundane thing like eating food and walking on street suggest that there is nothing extraordinary in their lives. They are just like any other human being.

    This is true about their life and death. Once again, I must reiterate that if you don’t believe in the death of Jesus(pbuh) you are putting all these verses to contradict each other. Not only that, you are believing only part of the Quran that suits you and rejecting other part that does not fit your notions and Christian dogma.


    Yet Another Proof

    There is one verse in the Quran where Jesus(pbuh) summarizes his relationship with his people.

    The verse is from Surah Ma'idah 5:116-117.

    5:116 And behold! Allah will say: ‘O Isa, son of Maryam was it you who said to the people (-- the Christians, especially the Roman Catholic) "Take me and my mother for two deities besides Allah?" He will say: "Glory to be to You! It is not fit for me to say what is not right for me (to utter). If I had said that, You would then have known it indeed. You know what is in my mind, while I do not know what is in Your mind. Surely you are the great Knower of hidden matter

    5:117 "I did not say to them anything except about what You had ordered me, namely, "serve Allah, my Rabb and your Rabb" and I was witness over them so long as I was with them, but when you caused me to die (wafat), You were Watcher over them. And You are a Witness over all things

    This is another definite evidence of death of Jesus(pbuh). On the Day of Judgment Allah will question Jesus(pbuh) whether he taught his people to take him as a god. Jesus(pbuh) will reply that he did not teach so, and he bears witness that during his lifetime his people did not take him and his mother as gods besides Allah, but he does not know what they did after his death.

    We all know that Christians do regard Jesus as Son of God and Mary as a goddess. If Jesus(pbuh) is alive, this should not have happened. How to reconcile this verse? According to the verse, the Christians were supposed to take Jesus and his mother as deities only after his death (wafat)!!

    And his death is yet to happen!!!!

    The answer is if this has to happen, then according to the verse Jesus(pbuh) must have died. It is only after his death people accepted him and his mother as god and goddess.

    The key word here is ‘wafat’ - death. Falamma tawaffai tani - that is, ‘but when you caused me to die.’ Those who don’t want to believe in the message, translate it saying that ‘when you took me away’ thereby suggesting that when he was raised alive. Thus when Jesus(pbuh) was not with them physically, they started accepting him and his mother as god and goddess.

    This is yet another instance where the meaning of ‘wafat’ is not taken in its true context. We already discussed above that the scholars and translators of the Quran interpreted the meaning of the word ‘wafat’ as death but in one or two instances they twist the meaning and suggest physical ascension. [See: Interpretation of the word 'wafat'.]
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    هنا رائ تقليدي حول عوده المسيح من الشيخ يحي هارون حيث يقر كمعظم المسلمين بان المسيح سوف يعود !!!! ارجوا المقارنه





    The Jews Claim They Killed Jesus (as)

    No doubt, everyone is familiar with the allegation that the Romans crucified Jesus (as). As the allegation goes, the Romans and the Jewish rabbis arrested Jesus (as) and crucified him. Indeed, the Christian world embraces the belief that Jesus (as) died but then came to life again and ascended to heaven. However, when we refer to the Qur'an, we see that what really happened is not as people believe:

    And (on account of) their saying, "We killed (qatalna) the Messiah, 'Isa son of Maryam, Messenger of Allah." They did not kill (wa ma qataloohu) him and they did not crucify (wa ma salaboohu) him but it was made to seem so (shubbiha) to them. Those who argue about him are in doubt about it. They have no real knowledge of it, just conjecture. But they certainly did not kill (wa ma qataloohu) him. (Surat an-Nisa': 157)

    In the same verse, the information mentioned below on Jesus' ascension is given:

    Allah raised him up to Himself (rafa'aahu). Allah is Almighty, All-Wise. (Surat an-Nisa': 15

    The fact the Qur'an reveals to us is obvious. The attempts of the Romans, provoked by the Jews to murder Jesus (as), proved unsuccessful. The expression quoted from the above verse "… but it was made to seem so to them" explains the real nature of this event. Jesus (as) was not murdered but he was raised up to Allah's presence. Furthermore, Allah draws our attention to the fact that those making this claim know nothing about the truth.

    How Are Prophets' Deaths Recounted in the Qur'an?

    Examination of the stories in the Qur'an that deal with how prophets died, and the verses that describe the death of Jesus (as), reveal an important fact about that death. In this section we shall examine the meaning of the Arabic words used to describe the deaths of Jesus and other prophets, and will see how they are used in the verses.

    As we shall be seeing in greater detail later, a number of special words are used in the Qur'an to describe the deaths of prophets, such as qataloohu (to kill), maata (to die), halaka (to perish) and salaboohu (they crucified him). However, it is clearly stated in the Qur'an that "They did not kill him (wa ma qataloohu) and did not crucify him (wa ma salaboohu)," meaning Jesus (as) was not killed in any way. It is emphasized that someone who resembled Jesus (as) was put forward and that Jesus (as) was raised to the presence of Allah.

    In Surah Al 'Imran, we are informed that Allah took Jesus (as) back and He raised him up to Him.

    When Allah said, "'Isa, I will take you back (mutawaffeeka) and raise you up (wa rafi'uka) to Me and purify you of those who are disbelievers. And I will place the people who follow you above those who are disbelievers until the Day of Rising..." (Surah Al 'Imran: 55)

    The following are the ways in which the words referring to death in the Qur'an and the word "to cause to die" which appears in Surah Al 'Imran are used:

    1. TAWAFFA: TO CAUSE TO DIE, TO TAKE IN SLEEP OR TO TAKE BACK

    The word tawaffa as used in this verse has other meanings than simply "death" in English. A study of the Arabic equivalents of the words in the verses reveals that Jesus (as) did not die in the accepted sense. This is how his being taken back to Allah is described in Surat al-Ma'ida, 117:

    "I said to them nothing but what You ordered me to say: 'Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.' I was a witness against them as long as I remained among them, but when You took me back to You (tawaffa), You were the One watching over them. You are Witness of all things." (Surat al-Ma'idah: 117)

    In Arabic the word that is translated in some translations of these verses as "You have caused me to die" is "tawaffa" and comes from the root wafa - to fulfil. Tawaffa does not actually mean "death" but the act of "taking the self back" either in sleep, in death or as in the case of Jesus being taken back into the presence of Allah. From the Qur'an again, we understand that "taking the self back" does not necessarily mean death. For instance in a verse in which the word tawaffa is used, it is not the death of a human being that is meant but "taking back his self in his sleep":

    It is He Who takes you back to Himself (yatawaffakum) at night, while knowing the things you perpetrate by day, and then wakes you up again, so that a specified term may be fulfilled... (Surat al-An'am: 60)

    The word used for "take back" in this verse is the same as the one used in Surah Al 'Imran 55. In other words, in the verse above, the word tawaffa is used and it is obvious that one does not die in one's sleep. Therefore, what is meant here is, again, "taking the self back."

    The same word is used in the verse below as follows:

    Allah takes back people's selves (tawaffa) when their death (mawtiha) arrives and those who have not yet died, while they are asleep (lam tamut). He keeps hold of those whose death (mawt) has been decreed and sends the others back for a specified term... (Surat az-Zumar: 42)

    As these verses suggest, Allah takes back the self of the one who is asleep, yet He sends back the selves of those whose deaths have yet not been decreed. In this context, in one's sleep one does not die, in the sense in which we perceive death. Only for a temporary period, the self leaves the body and remains in another dimension. When we wake up, the self returns to the body. (Prof. Suleyman Ates, Yuce Kur'an'in Cagdas Tefsiri (The Contemporary Tafsir of the Holy Qur'an))

    Imam al-Qurtubi makes clear that there are three meanings to the term wafat which is from the same root as tawaffa: the wafat of death, the wafat of sleep, and last, the wafat of being raised up to Allah, as in the case of Sayyiduna 'Isa (as).

    2) QATALA: TO KILL

    The word generally used for "to kill" when speaking of death in the Qur'an is the Arabic word qatala. The word is used in this way in Surat al-Mu'min:

    Pharaoh said, "Let me kill Musa and let him call upon his Lord! I am afraid that he may change your religion and bring about corruption in the land." (Surat al-Mu'min: 26)

    The expression "let me kill Musa" in the verse appears in the Arabic form aqtulu Musa. That word comes from the verb qatala. In another verse, the same word is used in this way:

    ... (That was because they) killed (yaqtuloona) the Prophets without any right to do so. (Surat al-Baqara: 61)

    The words "they killed" in the verse appear as yaqtuloona in the original Arabic, which again derives from the verb qatala. And as the translation makes quite clear, it means "to kill."

    It is clear how the verb qatala is used in the following verses that describe the death of prophets. All the words whose meaning appears in brackets derive from the verb qatala.

    ... We will write down what they said and their killing (wa qatlahum) of the Prophets without any right to do so... (Surah Al 'Imran: 181)

    ... Did you grow arrogant, and deny some of them and murder (taqtuloona) others? (Surat al-Baqara: 87)

    ... Say, "Why then, if you are muminun, did you previously kill (taqtuloona) the Prophets of Allah?" (Surat al-Baqara: 91)

    As for those who reject Allah's Signs, and kill (yaqtuloona) the Prophets without any right to do so, and kill (yaqtuloona) those who command justice... (Surah Al 'Imran: 21)

    ... So why did you kill them (qataltumoohum) if you are telling the truth? (Surah Al 'Imran: 183)

    ... The one said, "I shall kill you (la aqtulannaka)." ... (Surat al-Ma'ida: 27)

    Even if you do raise your hand against me to kill me (li taqtulanee), I am not going to raise my hand against you to kill you (li aqtulaka) ... (Surat al-Ma'ida: 2

    "Kill (uqtuloo) Yusuf or expel him to some land ..." (Surah Yusuf: 9)

    The wife of Pharaoh said, "A source of delight for me and for you; do not kill him (la taqtuloohu)..." (Surat al-Qasas: 9)

    ... "Musa, the Council are conspiring to kill you (li yaqtulooka) ..." (Surat al-Qasas: 20)

    The only answer of his (Ibrahim's) people was to say: "Kill (uqtuloohu) him or burn him!" (Surat al-'Ankabut: 24)

    3) HALAKA: TO PERISH

    Another verb used with the meaning of "to perish" in the Qur'an is , halaka. This verb is used in verses in the sense of "to perish, be destroyed, die". For instance, Surat al-Mu'min 34 reads:

    ... when he (Yusuf) died (halaka), you said, "Allah will never send another Messenger after him." ... (Surat al-Mu'min: 34)

    In the verse, the expression translated in English as "when he died" is idha halaka in Arabic, used in the sense of "to die".

    4) MAWT: DEATH

    Another word used in the Qur'an in the context of prophets' deaths is mawt. The word maata - he died - and other words from the same root is used in the verses. One of these concerns the death of the prophet Sulayman (as) in Surah Saba':

    Then when We decreed that he should die (mawt), nothing divulged his death (mawtihi) to them except the worm which ate his staff ... (Surah Saba': 14)

    Another word from the same root is used in reference to the Prophet Yahya (as):

    Peace be upon him the day he was born, and the day he dies (yamootu), and the day he is raised up again alive. (Surah Maryam: 15)

    The word translated here as "when he dies" is the Arabic word yamootu. The same word appears in verses in the context of the death of the prophet Ya'qub (as). It appears in Surat al-Baqara, for instance:

    Or were you present when death (mawt) came to Ya'qub? ... (Surat al-Baqara: 133)

    The word mawt in the verse comes from the same root and means death. In a verse about the Prophet Muhammad (saas) the verbs qutila and maata are used at one and the same time:

    Muhammad is only a Messenger and he has been preceded by other Messengers. If he were to die (mata) or be killed (qutila), would you turn on your heels? ... (Surah Al 'Imran: 144)

    The word mawt which comes from the same root as mata (to die) appears in other verses to do with the deaths of prophets:

    ... She said, "Oh if only I had died (mittu) before this time and was something discarded and forgotten!" (Surah Maryam: 23)

    We did not give any human being before you immortality (khuld). And if you die (mitta), will they then be immortal? (Surat al-Anbiya': 34)

    "He Who will cause my death (yumeetunee), then give me life." (Surat ash-Shu'ara': 81)

    5) KHALID: IMMORTAL

    Another word that appears in verses without directly meaning "to die" or "to kill" but which means "immortality" is khalid. The meaning of khalid is along the lines of being permanent. The word khalid is used in that sense in Surat al-Anbiya':

    We did not give them bodies which did not eat food, nor were they immortal (khalideena). (Surat al-Anbiya':

    6) SALABA: TO CRUCIFY

    One of the words used in the Qur'an when speaking of the death of prophets and others is the verb salaba (to crucify). The verb carries meanings such as "to crucify, hang, and execute." The verb is used in verses as follows:

    ... They did not kill him and they did not crucify him (wa ma salaboohu)... (Surat an-Nisa': 157)

    ... (Yusuf said,) One of you will serve his lord with wine, the other of you will be crucified (yuslabu)... (Surah Yusuf: 41)

    ... they should be killed or crucified (yusallaboo)... (Surat al-Ma'ida: 33)

    (Pharaoh said,) "I will cut off your alternate hands and feet and then I will crucify (la usallibannakum) every one of you." (Surat al-A'raf: 124)

    ... (Pharaoh said,) "I will cut off your hands and feet alternately and have you crucified (wa la usallibannakum) ..." (Surah Ta Ha: 71)

    ... (Pharaoh said,) "I will cut off your alternate hands and feet and I will crucify (wa la usallibannakum) every one of you." (Surat ash-Shu'ara': 49)

    As can be seen from the verses, very different words are used in verses dealing with the wafat of Jesus (as) and the death of other prophets. Allah has revealed in the Qur'an that Jesus (as) was not killed, nor crucified, that someone who resembled him was shown in his place, and that he was taken back (in other words that his soul was taken). While the word tawaffa meaning "to take the soul" is used in the context of Jesus (as), expressions such as, qataloohu and mata, expressions of normal death, are used to refer to other prophets. These facts demonstrate once again that the situation of Jesus (as) is an extraordinary one.



    This book is by Harun Yahya
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    1) Jesus was a prophet of God, and he announced his prophethood as an infant (19:30).

    2) Muhammad was the messenger of God and the last prophet. No prophet will come after Muhammad (33:40).

    If we agree on these two points, we will agree on the third. As the logical result of the above facts, the third fact is:

    3) After the last prophet Muhammad, Jesus will not come back, since Jesus was a prophet.

    To claim that Jesus, in his second coming, will not be a prophet, is denying the verses about Jesus' prophethood. If Jesus will come back, he has to believe the Quranic verses that say he is a prophet. If he accepted that he is a prophet, he would being denying the final prophethood of Muhammad.

    Those Muslims who adopted Christian stories about the second coming of Jesus, tried to manipulate the meaning of several verses, such as 43:61 and 4:159.


    a) If Jesus comes back, will he accept the Quranic verses that state "Jesus is a prophet"?

    b) If Jesus will come back as a prophet, then how can Muhammad be the last prophet?

    c) What is your opinion on a hadith which claims that when Jesus comes, he will make some unlawful things lawful(Bukhary: 34/102; 46/31).

    Do you believe in this hadith? What about the verse 5:3 which states that God has completed the religion by the Quran? ...and what about all this killing of Pigs? i mean is he really going to be walking around with a matchete looking to behead Pigs?...what ''sin'' has the Pigs committed for them to be eliminated in such a manner?

    d) How will we recognize Jesus? Will he be black, white or mixed race like arabs? There are conflicting ahadith on the physical appearance of Jesus...if they can not even get his description correct then how can we trust anything these guys tell us about him and his supposed ''future'' mission?

    Will he show the same miracles that he showed before?





    Quote: 3) After the last prophet Muhammad, Jesus will not come back, since Jesus was a prophet.

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    Thanks Zytoon . This is a great point and makes the whole debate an easy one. I had the same thought and I asked myself "why would Isa come back" . As you know the answer comes to show that Isa has a mission on earth. I believe that mission is God`s mission b/c he is the one who knows who is the true believers and who is not. If prophet Muhammad is the last prophet ,why would God resend another prophet with a mission after the words of God have been already sent and completed to prophet Muhammad ?.
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12-30-2004, 04:21 AM

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