دعواتكم لزميلنا المفكر د.الباقر العفيف بالشفاء العاجل
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 I thought of him today!!i
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This morning, thinking about the old Sudanese man who was killed on that grim Friday morning on January 1985, I was wondering what exactly went through his mind during those days before his death. He certainly made a choice: To Stand for What He Believes… Whether you are one of his foes and enemies or his followers and sympathisers, you will have to admit that M M Taha believed in his ideas and way of thinking and that he died a man honouring his beliefs. i
But this is just one reason I thought; a reason we can all see and understand. This old man also chose to speak, and tell us in clear words why he made the choice he is making: He didn’t say to his killers and persecutors: I am Right And Absolutely Confident of my Beliefs And That’s Why I Will Die For Them! No; instead he said: i
Quote: أنا أعلنت رأيى مرارا فى قوانين سبتمبر 83 من أنها مخالفة للشريعة، وللأسلام.. أكثر من ذلك، فانها شوهت الشريعة، وشوهت الأسلام و نفرت عنه.. يضاف الى ذلك، أنها وضعت و استغلت لأرهاب الشعب وسوقه الى الأستكانة عن طريق اذلاله.. ثم انها هددت وحدة البلاد.. هذا من حيث التنظير..
وأما من حيث التطبيق، فان القضاة الذين يتولون المحاكمة تحتها غير مؤهلين فنيا.. وضعفوا أخلاقيا عن أن يمتنعوا عن أن يضعوا أنفسهم تحت سيطرة السلطة التنفيذية تستعملهم لأضاعة الحقوق، و اذلال الشعب، و اهانة الفكر و المفكرين، واذلال المعارضين السياسيين.. ومن أجل ذلك، فانى غير مستعد للتعاون مع أى محكمة تنكرت لحرمة القضاء المستقل، و رضيت أن تكون أداة من أدوات اذلال الشعب، و اهانة الفكر الحر والتنكيل بالمعارضين السياسيين |
He was clearly not talking to them; he was not talking to Nemairi, not to Turabi and not Mahllawi either. He must have being talking to us: The Sudanese people. He must have believed in us too, just as he believed in his ideas and stance in life! He must’ve believed in the coming generations; believed that they will understand, one day, or learn one day… I thought of all that and said, he must have believed in me too! How beautiful and heart-warming! i
I look around this Sudanese cyber-sphere and wonder, was he wrong to believe in us so unconditionally?i
I think not… a man with a vision like his must have seen and expected all this! i
I want to believe that one day, the coming Sudanese generations of our troubled peoples will celebrate his message and embrace his gift to us… i I want to believe that the simple, clear ideas such as man’s right to think and dream will become so common-sense that no one like him would die to state them; and no one like me would ever need to write these words. i
I want to believe that there are a Sudanese people, in some coming future, who will celebrate his sacrifice for them as they celebrate sunrise and the simple good things in life… I want believe that, just as he believed in us.And I think I will. i* (عدل بواسطة farda on 01-18-2004, 10:05 PM)
(عدل بواسطة farda on 01-18-2004, 10:49 PM)
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Re: I thought of him today!!i (Re: farda)
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"I want to believe that one day, the coming Sudanese generations of our troubled peoples will celebrate his message and embrace his gift to us"
What a wonderful masterpeice
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Re: I thought of him today!!i (Re: farda)
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I want to believe that one day, the coming Sudanese generations of our troubled peoples will celebrate his message and embrace his gift to us… i I want to believe that the simple, clear ideas such as man’s right to think and dream will become so common sense that no one like him will die to state them; and no one like me would ever need to write these words.
Oh! This is very touching.
It sounds like the words of Rev. Martin luther King Jr.in his famous speech>
I have a dream.
Now it is a reality.
Thank you for these uplifting words ya Farda.
فردة دي حلوة جدا لمن زول في عمري كدا يقولها!
I mean ya Hafiz.
http://www.alfikra.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3327#3327
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Re: I thought of him today!!i (Re: Yasir Elsharif)
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شكراً يا ياسر الشريف على الإطلالة بماكينتك الإعلامية المتحركة! (زي عربية السينما في تلك الأيام البعيدة)
(see, I'm not that much younger than you after all! i)
وعلى نقل كلمات احتفالي بزكرى محمود الى منبر الفكرة...
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Re: I thought of him today!!i (Re: farda)
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| Quote: I want believe that, just as he believed in us.And I think I will. |
Farda
?YOu think you will
!It is good to beleive so
اليوم كنت أستمع إلي موسيقي تسافر بين الأرض وسقفها المعلق...
وجاءت المذيعة بصوت يتهادي بين الاثنين، لتقول:
,From Romeo & Julliet
!It is the balcony scene
فوجدتني أقول لها: وإنها المقصلة!
إيمان
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Re: I thought of him today!!i (Re: إيمان أحمد)
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مرحباً بكِ يا إيمان ، وبأصـداء فتاة سيزيف ، إذ أن الصخرة َ تعلو رويداً رويداً ، والهـِمة ُ لاتفتر... لابد أن أستلهمَ سيرته إذاً ، ولابد أن أحلم وأصدق... !
| Quote: ....فوجدتني أقول لها: وإنها المقصلة! |
كم أفزعتِني!
ولكنني أجلس ُ الآن على مقعدي أمام هذه الشاشة الساكنة ، وأسمع موسيقى تتصاعد من بوست عصام جبرالله: لتماضر...قولى الكلمه لصمت الليل وكونى النجمه وهو يغني لنجمةٍ أعرفها ويقول:| Quote: و لكن لنا قوة الحلم و نبع الخلق وابداع الجديد... |
يمنحني هذا أيضا أملاً طيباً
لكِ الود...
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 Re: I thought of him today!!i (Re: farda)
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| Quote: see, I'm not that much younger than you after all! i) |
أووبس..
Hochachtung
كما يقول أصحابنا الألمان..
أنا شوفت الإسم "فردة" وقلت دا لازم من الشباب الذين يستعملون هذه "المفردة" كثيرا.. زي يا "حبة".. لكن برضك شاب، لأني أنا برضو شاب.. وهو يعني الشباب أحسن مننا بي شنو؟؟ وأسال ناس ود قاسم وحسن الجزولي.. شباب تمام، تشوفهم بس تقول : اللهم صل عليك يا نبي..
مع تحياتي وأشواقي للقائك يا أخي حافظ..
ياسر
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Re: I thought of him today!!i (Re: Yasir Elsharif)
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Dear Hafiz, Salaam, I hope all is OK with you??
You said:
“I want to believe that the simple, clear ideas such as man’s right to think and dream ill become so common sense that no one like him will die to state them; and no one like me would ever need to write these word.”
It is sad isn`t it? my friend, that some of us spend long hours, splitting hairs trying, desperately, to convince us that a martyr is not a martyr, simply because he was too original, innovative, daring and ahead of his time, now I recon by thousands of years.
I wonder, when our discourse, as people, moves on beyond the banal and cheap, address the real issues and hit the nail right on the head??
I disagree,if I may, people like yourself need to write continuously to see values such as those upheld and embodied by the late martyr M M Taha, where you wish to see them: right in the heart of the nation.
Regards
Adil
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 Re: I thought of him today!!i (Re: Adil Isaac)
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salam brother frda
how meangfull, how strongfull words , man how i felt so sad ,
you have siad what i want to say , god bless you man and save you
for islam and sudan and all humanity
ostaz mahmoud was a man from the future thank you man
degna
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Re: I thought of him today!!i (Re: degna)
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Thanks Adil and Degna for visiting this in-house celebration of the memory of M M Taha…
Degna, thanks for your kind words and let's keep the message of Mahmood alive… i
I agree, Adil, we need to write for a long time to come, to keep this fire alive; but my hope was that, one day, the meanings for which Mahmood paid his life, will become so common-sense (as they should really be!) in our land that we will celebrate them, rather the argue to stress them! i
Today is the 18th of January 2004, 19 years since the old Omdurmanite man said his words, smiled and left peacefully… i
Let's reflect and think of him…i
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Re: I thought of him today!!i (Re: farda)
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Quote: He was clearly not talking to them; he was not talking to Nemairi, not to Turabi and not Mahllawi either. He must have being talking to us: The Sudanese people. He must have believed in us too, just as he believed in his ideas and stance in life! He must’ve believed in the coming generations; believed that they will understand, one day, or learn one day… I thought of all that and said, he must have believed in me too! How beautiful and heart-warming! i
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جميل الحكي يا حافظ..
وما تكتبه أنت اليوم هنا لهو أكبر دليل علي إنهذامية التسلط
والجهل..وأن كلمات الشهيد لم يذروها الريح..وأن صداها ما زال يدوّي قويا
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 Re: I thought of him today!!i (Re: farda)
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Bakir is not a member of Sudaneseonline as far as I know. He wrote his impressions that look like this post of Hafiz but in Alfikra Minbar sometime ago:
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First, excuse me for not writing in Arabic as I have no Arabic keyboard and probably easier for me to write in English at the moment.
I found the10 articles by Dr. Omer Alguray titled
حول مقالات د. عبد الله علي ابراهيم في الدفاع عن الفقهاء وقوانينهم
الدين .. ورجال الدين عبر السنين
both joyful and mind stimulating...deepest respect...
The article web link is attached herewith: http://alfikra.org/articles/article_107j.htm
A thought crossed my mind when I read through the last and final article (no.10). Why not The-Republicans or/and family members prepare to launch a new trial to pursue justice (!) in the international courts for the grave loss humanity endured since 18 Jan 1985…..
I also take this opportunity to pay my sincere condolences to Uthtaz M M Taha’s family and brothers.
I think Justice mechanisms in the world today are more available than in the 1980s, (!) at least that’s my opinion take for example Slobodan Mylosovic and people of his like are being sued for their crimes in the international courts.
I find the shameful inhuman hostility, cruelty and above all ignorance shown towards this great thinker all the way along his journey quite painful and probably death was mercy to him from the Merciful……………and God knows better.
I have no doubt (!) the journey was most painful for the man himself. I sensed that in his writings and from listening to his invaluable lectures here in these web pages, also I have no doubt it has been and will remain most beneficial for those who can comprehend his views.
Never mind the content of his thoughts, living for your thoughts and dieing PROTECTING them makes him Extra-Ordinary man. But, what is more extraordinary the thoughts themselves. For this reason not because of the enduring pain since his departure I felt people should pursue those responsible for this grave injustice in international courts.
(To pursue, and God-will, convict those responsible would be extra-complicated business and I would not envy those who would try but encourage and contribute)
It might take time but justice is always served.
The man died and thanks God the thoughts he left for us are beating alive.
I assume, the idea of developing and keeping these thoughts alive was the drive for others to create this invaluable Internet site, which without it, I do not know, how long it would have took me to recognise their existence. What’s ironic is; they existed and started developing since the early 40tys (!!).
These thoughts are so meaningful and I find them very scientific (as in mind acceptable). I am amazed about his analytical approach to complicated issues and how simple he can put them that leave you in denial sometimes (!). It is mind blowing. I believe he dedicated his work to humanity his thoughts discovered aspects that does not cross the mind of most of us especially at that time (the 1940s).
I am not saying lets have a statue or national day for M M TAHA because that is practically unachievable in the time being although I feel this day will come and not necessary in Sudan who knows (!) but certainly in Sudan if some other place got there first….
I believe one can contribute to these thoughts by maintaining and developing his work and this best done through re-opening the unjustified case that lead to his tragic death in the international arena only if the capabilities are there.
Today the international community deserve to know about M M TAHA the genius thinker.
I find the international courts idea reasonable way to put forward and hopefully share his thoughts with bigger audience. Who knows…. maybe someone somewhere with more capabilities than others can put forward and develop his work…….especially in places were there is more democracy than in other places.
I know almost nothing about legal procedures and technicalities but, based on facts, I hope professionals teachers and those who know more, would be aware if there could be a case (!?) put forward in front of a court somewhere in the land.
Probably I am not the first one who thought about international courts or maybe it has been done already……….…if this is the case ……excuse my ignorance.
I look forward to hear from people about when is the right time to take the case to court? And I remain most fond of the site, its fruitful content and looking forward to exploring and discovering more through it.
Thanks,
Bakir
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farda
Abureesh
Rawia
Yasir Elsharif
إيمان أحمد
Adil Isaac
degna
فيس بوك
تويتر
انستقرام
يوتيوب
بنتيريست