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مهاجرة صوماليه بهولاندا تستعمل الصورة لنشر رؤيتها حول الدين الاسلامى

09-28-2004, 09:14 AM

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مهاجرة صوماليه بهولاندا تستعمل الصورة لنشر رؤيتها حول الدين الاسلامى

    AMSTERDAM JOURNAL
    A Graphic Film of Protest, and Cries of Blasphemy
    By MARLISE SIMONS

    Published: September 27, 2004



    Shown on Dutch television, a scene of a bride with a Koranic verse wrttien on her skin. The film's author has received threats on her life.

    MSTERDAM - As she begins to pray, the woman looks heavily veiled, showing her eyes only, but her long black chador turns out to be transparent. Beneath it, painted on her chest and stomach, are verses from the Koran.

    More women appear. A bride is dressed in white lace, but her back is exposed. The Koranic verse that says a man may take his woman in any manner, time or place ordained by God is written on her skin.

    The images roll on, now showing a woman lying on the ground, her back and legs marked by red traces of a whip. The Koranic verses on her wounded flesh say that those guilty of adultery or ####### outside marriage shall be punished with 100 lashes. There are chilling sounds of a cracking whip; there is the haunting beauty of the Arabic calligraphy and soft music.

    These are scenes from "Submission," a 10-minute film shown on Dutch prime time television, written by Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a Somali-born refugee, now a member of the Dutch Parliament. Since the English-language film was shown in late August, it has been at the center of a national uproar, which is exactly what the author wanted.

    Ms. Hirsi Ali, 34, who grew up as a Muslim but has abandoned her faith, said her purpose was not to give offense but to draw attention to what she contends is widespread but hidden violence against Muslim women, even those living in Europe.

    She turned to the power of images, she said, to focus attention on abuse, incest, forced marriages and the suicides of young immigrant women. Despite her writing and speaking on the subject for several years, she said she felt that the subject remained a public taboo. "Muslims deny it," she said, "and many Dutch are afraid of taking it on, of causing religious tension, of being called racists."

    The stories of the four women in the film are composites, she says. Critics have called them simplistic, even caricatures. But the images fired up a new debate in the Netherlands on how to modernize or adapt Islam as it expands across Europe.

    The film has brought new death threats against her. She already has two round-the-clock government bodyguards.

    In this nation of 16 million people, a million of them Muslim immigrants or their descendants, Ms. Hirsi Ali is part of a small but growing group of women who say they want to spread the message that the Muslim faith can be practiced without what she calls "savage Medieval customs" like genital cutting, beatings or the confinement of women to their homes. Some of those advocates contend that modernization of Islam must come from women, particularly European Muslim women.

    The film and the photographs taken from it have appeared in Dutch newspapers, magazines and television shows, drawing an outpouring of both praise and outrage.

    "Of course it's a political pamphlet, that's undeniable," said Theo van Gogh, who directed the film and insisted that he does not see why many Muslims are so shocked. He said he was deliberately cautious, adding that if he had really wanted to shock, the film would have been different.

    It opens with a prayer, and then the narrator tells stories of four women who ask for God's help to lighten their suffering. According to the narrative, one was forced to marry a man she hates, one was raped and made pregnant by her uncle, one was whipped after she had sexual relations with her boyfriend and one was repeatedly beaten by her husband. The women feel abandoned by God, despite their devotion to him.

    As a close-up of a battered and bruised face appears, the narrator says: "Oh Allah , most high. You say that men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because you have given one more strength than the other. Yet I feel at least once a week the strength of my husband's fist on my face."

    The woman who was raped, says she has always turned to "you Allah, covering myself as you wish it. And now that I pray for salvation, you remain silent as the grave I long for."
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09-28-2004, 09:17 AM

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Re: مهاجرة صوماليه بهولاندا تستعمل الصورة لنشر رؤيتها حول الدين الاسلامى (Re: Kostawi)

    By Hans Labohm Published 01/12/2004



    Ayaan Hirsi Ali

    Born in 1967 in Mogadishu (Somalia), Ayaan Hirsi attended secondary school in Kenya. From the middle of the nineties she studied political science in Leiden (Netherlands). In the same period she had various jobs, such as cleaning woman and mail sorter. In 2001-02 she was an interpreter and translator. In 2002 she joined the think tank of the Dutch Social Democratic Party. In 2003, she switched over to the Dutch right-of-the centre (classical) liberal party, the VVD, because of this party's firm stand on immigration issues and became a member of Parliament.

    She was raised as a Muslim but has recently become agnostic. She has an incredible command of the Dutch langue and is a sharp debater. She abhors woolly, placating rhetoric, which is so typical of Dutch politics. According to a recent poll she ranks second among the most popular politicians in Holland. And her political star is still rising. Yet her political message stirs a lot of controversy, especially among Muslim radicals.

    It was the criticism by the late Pim Fortuyn (the Dutch politician who was killed by an animal rights activists) of the impact of Islam on Dutch society which sharpened her awareness of the threat of Muslim radicalism. Fortuyn openly qualified the Islam as a backward religion and Ayaan Hirsi Ali shares this view. When she was still in the socialist party she wanted to put the issue high on the political agenda. But the party did not support her view, because it was afraid that it would play into Fortuyn's hands. Ayaan Hirsi Ali is especially critical of the lack of tolerance for dissenting opinions among Muslims, as well as their oppression of women.


    According to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the emotions incited by her statements, especially among radical Muslims, underscores the state of the Islam. (Radical) Muslims are incapable of self-reflection. Consequently, any critical remark is perceived as an offense.

    She believes that the Dutch are insufficiently aware of the threat which a rapidly growing radical Islam poses for the basic values and norms of Dutch society. Because of her outspokenness on these issues she has received death threats and needs permanent personal protection.

    The political controversy now focuses on the question whether a separate Islamic 'pillar' has to be created within Dutch society. This approach has been successfully applied before. It was a kind of benign sectarianism. Over more than a century, Roman Catholics, Protestants of various denominations, and non-religious groupings had organized themselves in separate 'pillars', comprising primary and secondary schools, universities, newspapers and weeklies, employers' federations and trade unions, radio and tv stations, sport clubs, holiday resorts, and all kinds of associations. There were relatively few mutual contacts between people in separate pillars. But over the years, because of growing wealth and the desire for more individual liberty, the borderlines between the pillars have worn out. And the system has not prevented the ascent of growing nationhood. Why not apply the same recipe for Dutch Muslim population? The difference is that, contrary to the other 'pillars', a potential Muslim 'pillar' lacks historical roots in the Netherlands. Therefore, a more promising road to the integration of Muslims in a modern society runs via common education as opposed to 'pillarized' education. A Muslim 'pillar' will simply perpetuate Muslim 'apartheid' within society, both culturally and as regards the labour market, and will also sustain the subservient role of women.

    The hostile reactions to her statements from Islamic circles have surprised Ayaan Hirsi Ali. In response, she has declared that it was not her intention to insult or unnecessarily offend people. Therefore, she lately polished her once abrasive language, without compromising, however, on the substance of her message. She now acknowledges that Mohammed is an admirable figure, but that his ideas are due for modernization.

    Can this be done? Nader Fergany, the Egyptian lead-author of the ground-braking Arab Human Development Reports insists that Islam is very rich and that there are interpretations of Islam which can easily be accommodated with the values and norms of modern developed societies.

    As Rudyard Kipling once wrote:


    'Oh, East is East and West is West
    and never the twain shall meet,
    till Earth and Sky stand presently
    at God's great Judgment's seat.'



    Do these lines also apply to the relationship between Islam and the West? What most people do not know is that Kipling's message was meant to be just the opposite, because the poem goes on:


    'But there is neither East nor West
    Border nor breed nor birth
    when two strong men stand face to face,
    tho' they come from the end of the earth.'



    Let's hope that there will be sufficient 'strong men' who will rise to the challenge ... spurred by the message a strong woman.
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09-28-2004, 11:04 AM

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    The mission of an ex-Muslim
    Radio Netherland
    Jan. 1o, 2004


    Ayaan Hirsi Ali


    As the campaign for the Dutch elections gathers pace, few stories are more remarkable than that of Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Coming to the Netherlands from Somalia, she attracted much attention with her passionate pleas for the emancipation of Muslim women. But she really made the headlines when death threats forced her to go into hiding. And she was back in the news some weeks later, when she switched political sides from the Dutch labour party to the right-wing liberal VVD.

    Ayaan Hirsi Ali, now 33, was born in the Somali capital Mogadishu. The daughter of a Somali politician, she grew up as a typical Muslim girl. In her infant years, she underwent the traditional local ritual of genital mutilation. When Somalia was plunged into turmoil, the family moved to Saudi Arabia, where she was forced to wear a veil and stay indoors.

    In 1992, she fled to the Netherlands to escape an arranged marriage with her Canadian cousin. After receiving asylum, she made an active effort to integrate into Dutch society and quickly climbed the social ladder. She soon mastered the Dutch language and took on cleaning jobs before going to university to study political science.

    Mrs Hirsi Ali joined the Labour Party's scientific office and made a name for herself pressing for the integration of Muslim immigrants and the protection of Muslim women. Calling herself an ex-Muslim, she documented thousands of cases of physical violence of these women, including beatings, incest and sexual abuse, and railed against the Dutch authorities for doing too little to stop these practices.

    Death threats
    Her statements triggered a torrent of abuse and even death threats, and Mrs Ali found herself on the run again. She went into hiding late last year and spent some time abroad, but returned after receiving police protection. She is determined to continue her mission to promote integration and improve the plight of Muslim women. This also explains why she made the unprecedented switch from the Labour Party to the Conservative VVD in the run

    - click to hear Mrs Hirsi Ali speaking to Perro de Jong, 4´30


    -up to the January 22 polls.

    "What made me change my mind about the Labour Party was that they really lost touch with the electorate on several points, particularly on how to deal with foreigners from non-Western countries and the position of women there… They've thrown away their social-democratic ideals in practice on these issues, and that made me think about leaving the Labour Party and then Neelie Kroes, our former Conservative Traffic Minister, said ‘if you really care about those women so much, you now have an opportunity to do something about it in parliament…'"

    No tokenism
    It was an offer she could not refuse. After all, this was a party that would support her campaign for the emancipation of Muslim women and the integration of minorities. From the VVD's perspective, having an immigrant woman in its ranks would lend credibility to the party's tough policy on immigration. Mrs Hirsi Ali, however, rejects any suggestion that she is being used as a token.

    "I think the danger is always there in the West, but I also think it's the responsibility of the person concerned to make sure that he or she doesn't become a token. I'm not planning to be a token."

    Mrs Hirsi Ali stresses that she agrees with the main thrust of the VVD political programme; its emphasis on immigration, security and the cost-effectiveness of policies. But she begs to differ on the party's perception that "the Netherlands is full" - a term she would never use because of its extreme right-wing connotations.

    Pressing women's issues
    Mrs Hirsi Ali is confident that, once the elections are over, the VVD will give her sufficient latitude to put her ideas into practice.

    "I intend to start on shelter homes, and turn them into women's liberating centres, where women not only get therapy and food, but also training on how to become autonomous. These programmes would be designed especially for Muslim women, because there are no programmes at all. They tend to go to the shelter for a while and then go back to a very abusive environment and then they come and go again."

    "And all these women have kids and these kids are completely neglected and some of them, the younger boys, turn out to be delinquents. I think we can prevent that by giving them training."

    "In addition, Muslim women with jobs are generally unfairly rewarded. I think we must do something about it, not by way of government, but by revitalizing women's organisations, which are almost defunct now in the Netherlands. These organizations must be brought back to life. I can do that from Parliament, it doesn't have to be government policy."

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09-28-2004, 05:56 PM

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Re: مهاجرة صوماليه بهولاندا تستعمل الصورة لنشر رؤيتها حول الدين الاسلامى (Re: Kostawi)

    الاسلام برىء من هؤلاء الا يوم الدين


    يريدون ان يطفئوا نور الله بافواهم والله متم نوره ولو كره الكافرون
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09-28-2004, 08:51 PM

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Re: مهاجرة صوماليه بهولاندا تستعمل الصورة لنشر رؤيتها حول الدين الاسلامى (Re: Kostawi)

    She was raised as a Muslim but has recently become agnostic


    الردة عن دين الله بسبب الجهل في تعرف أحكام الدين وبتأثير التغريب الكاسح المسنود بالإغراءات المادية في حياة رغــدة.

    ما زلت لا أفهم سلوك المرتدين عن الإسلام إلى أديان أخرى تقدم عليها الأسلام (الصحيح) في طرحه للحلول وتناوله للمشكلات وأتساءل لماذا لا ينزع هؤلاء للإيمان بالتيارات الفكرية المقصية للدين بدلاً عن الركون إلى ديانات تخلفت في ممالئتها للزمان والأوان.

    أما أختنا (السابقة) هذه, فقد أراحت نفسها من جدالنا باللادينية داعية إيانا للتساؤل عن عدم اختيارها دين المسيحية وهي ديانة الذين دفعوها للردة.

    إنه ومنذ (سلمان رشدي), فإن الذين ابتغوا الشهرة والحظوة عند الغرب الرأسمالي ما يزالون لا يجدوا وسيلة أسرع لنيلهاسوى اطراح الدين والتحلل من الإيمان, وعجبي.

    أحمد الشايقي
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09-28-2004, 09:11 PM

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Re: مهاجرة صوماليه بهولاندا تستعمل الصورة لنشر رؤيتها حول الدين الاسلامى (Re: Kostawi)

    السلام يا كوستاوى
    اهلنا بقولوا الجمرة بتحرق الواطيها
    يا ما فى نساء فى كل الاديان تعرضوا للاغتصاب ويا ما قتل ازواج نسائهم
    لانهم مارسوا الجنس خارج الزواج وياما اباء مارسوا الزنا مع ابنائهم
    وكانوا السبب فى الحمل المباشر لبناتهن وياما وياما
    لكن عارف المحيرنى شنوا؟؟ لية لامن المصائب دى بتحصل مع واحدة مسلمة
    بتلقاها ماخدة حيز كبير فى الاخبار وتنشر بمنشتات عريضة على اغلفة المجلات وما شابهها وكمان يعملوا ليها فلم قصير ؟؟؟؟

    فى كلاما عن الرجل هو القوة الضاربة وانة القراءن عملة سيد
    القراءن ما قال للرجال اعملوا الغلط وارقدوا مرتاحين من غير عقاب.
    غايتوا انا فى راءى انة الزولة دى بالغت وزودت الحكاية وادتا اكتر من اللازم.

    وطبعا وبرة الموضوع ولو سمحتا ليا وعن سابق خبرة اهلناالصوماليين ديل ليهم حكايات وقصص تجيب ليك صداع وتخليك تخت يدينك فى راسك ودة كلة علشان شنوا علشان اقامة ولا دولار زيادة .
    وارجع واقول الله يصلح الحال بس
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10-04-2004, 07:30 AM

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Re: مهاجرة صوماليه بهولاندا تستعمل الصورة لنشر رؤيتها حول الدين الاسلامى (Re: Hisham Amin)

    Husham

    I would lie to you if I said I had understood you. Pls. would you clarify?
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10-04-2004, 10:20 AM

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Re: مهاجرة صوماليه بهولاندا تستعمل الصورة لنشر رؤيتها حول الدين الاسلامى (Re: Kostawi)

    العزيز كوستاوى
    مضمون الكلام اى زول عاوز يظهر فى بلاد الفرنجة اليومين دى ما علية الا انة يمتطى الدين الاسلامى علشان يظهر
    ممارسة الزنا خارج الزواج وضرب الزوج لزوجتة domestic violence موجودة لكن بتاخذ حيز اكبر لامن القصة تطلع من خشم واحدة مسلمة وتلاقى وكالات الانباء العالمية كلها بتغطيها
    فى اليابن وا فى الهند الواحدة لو زوجها مات عندهم فى عاداتهم القبلية انها لازم تحرق معة وبرضوا لو مات الزوج يتم اجبار الزوجة على عدم الزواج طالما ظلت على قيد الحياة
    وما بتشوف قنوات الاخبار بتجيب كلام بالشكل دة لكن اذا كنت مسلم او مسلمة تلقى الموضوع دة فى راس كل نص ساعة

    اى انة الاساءة للدين الاسلامى من خلال المسلمين نفسهم يعتبر مادة اخبارية رابحة 100%
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10-04-2004, 01:22 PM

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Re: مهاجرة صوماليه بهولاندا تستعمل الصورة لنشر رؤيتها حول الدين الاسلامى (Re: Hisham Amin)

    Moving stories: Ayaan Hirsi Ali

    BBC World Service's The World Today programme is asking migrants who have been successful in their adopted countries how they got to the top of their field.
    Ayaan Hirsi Ali is an MP for the Liberal Party in the Netherlands, with a brief on immigration. Originally from Somalia, she fled to Holland after her father attempted to arrange a marriage for her.

    I left Somalia when I six-years-old. I lived in Saudi Arabia for one year, in Ethiopia for one and a half years, in Kenya for 11 years, and I live in the Netherlands now.


    If I were to say the things that I say now in the Dutch Parliament in Somalia, I would be killed

    I left Kenya because my father had chosen someone for me to marry.

    He wanted me to go to Canada, where this man lived.

    On my way to Canada I made a stop in Germany. I didn't agree with this marriage, so I didn't take the plane - I took the train to Holland.

    You can say I ran away.

    When I had finished learning the Dutch language, I thought I would like to go and study.

    I came from a continent which is torn apart by civil war, and I wanted to understand that.

    I took political science in college, and that's how I got involved with learning about power, about governments, about institutions, about citizenship - what makes Europe Europe, and what makes developing countries what they are now.

    I wanted to understand - I came from a country in civil war, and I really wanted to understand why we had civil war and why it was peaceful and prosperous here.

    I am now a member of parliament for the Liberal Party. My subjects - my portfolio - include the migration of non-Western migrants to the Netherlands, the emancipation of women, and development aid to developing countries.

    Unfortunately I cannot do this line of work in my country of birth.

    Somalia is made up of a population which is 100% Muslim. The radical leanings of a huge number of the population is unfortunately growing, and the position of the Somali woman has never been worse than it is now.

    If I were to say the things that I say now in the Dutch Parliament in Somalia, I would be killed.

    I wish I could go back, and I would love to go back, even if it's just to see my parents and brother.

    But I can't go back, because the situation is that I have said things about the Islamic religion, I have said things about my past, I have said things about the Prophet Mohammed and his message about women.

    By saying these things, I think I would be seeking danger if I went back to Somalia.

    I'm not intimidated by the threats and the attempts to make me shut my mouth, because living in a rich western European country like this one, I have protection that I otherwise would not have in Somalia or in Africa or in any other Islamic country.

    So I am going to make use of this huge opportunity - that I am protected and I can say what I want, that it gets published and spread, and that I am a voice in parliament for these women.

    That's something that people forget, because that means you change the rights of women here. They have these rights, but you make sure they are implemented.

    I would not change that. I think I wouldn't be able to do that in another country, and I'm not going to allow people to intimidate me.

    I have memories - my parents lived there, and I have good memories of the weather, of food, of how as a child I played.

    In a way I identify my childhood with my place of birth. I think that's just about it.



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