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09-25-2005, 01:14 AM
Eman El Sayed Taha
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An Independent Article (very interesting)

    We have long ago lost our moral compass, so how can we
    lecture the Islamic world?

    Years of Western interference in the Middle East has
    left the region heavy with injustices

    By Robert Fisk

    09/17/05 "The Independent" --- In an age when Lord
    Blair of Kut al-Amara can identify "evil ideologies"
    and al-Qa'ida can call the suicide bombing of 156
    Iraqi Shias "good news" for the "nation of Islam",
    thank heaven for our readers, in particular John
    Shepherd, principal lecturer in religious studies at
    St Martin's College, Lancaster.

    Responding to a comment of mine - to the effect that
    "deep down" we do, however wrongly, suspect that
    religion has something to do with the London bombings
    - Mr Shepherd gently admonishes me. "I wonder if there
    may be more to it than that," he remarks. And I fear
    he is right and I am wrong.

    His arguments are contained in a brilliantly conceived
    article on the roots of violence and extremism in
    Judaism, Christianity and Islam - and the urgent need
    to render all religions safe for "human consumption".

    Put very simply, Mr Shepherd takes a wander through
    some of the nastiest bits of the Bible and the Koran -
    those bits we prefer not to quote or not to think
    about - and finds that mass murder and ethnic
    cleansing get a pretty good bill of health if we take
    it all literally.

    The Jewish "entry into the promised land" was clearly
    accompanied by bloody conquest and would-be genocide.
    The Christian tradition has absorbed this inheritance,
    entering its own "promised land" with a ruthlessness
    that extends to cruel anti-Semitism. The New
    Testament, Mr Shepherd points out, "contains passages
    that would ... be actionable under British laws
    against incitement to racial hatred" were they to be
    published fresh today.

    The Muslim tradition - with its hatred of idolatry -
    contains, in the career of the Prophet, "scenes of
    bloodshed and murder which are shocking to modern
    religious sensibilities".

    Thus, for example, Baruch Goldstein, the Israeli
    military doctor who massacred 29 Palestinians in
    Hebron in 1994, committed his mass murder on Purim, a
    festival celebrating the deliverance of the Jewish
    communities from the Persian empire which was followed
    by large-scale killing "to avenge themselves on their
    enemies" (Esther 8:13).

    The Palestinians, of course, were playing the role of
    the Persians, at other times that of the Amalekites
    ("... kill man and woman, babe and suckling, ox and
    sheep, camel and donkey" - 1, Samuel 15:1, 3). The
    original "promised land" was largely on what is now
    the West Bank - hence the Jewish colonisation of
    Palestinian land - while the coastal plain was not
    (although suggestions that Israel should transplant
    itself further east, leaving Haifa, Tel Aviv and
    Ashkelon to the Palestinians of the West Bank are
    unlikely to commend themselves to Israel’s rulers).

    The "chosen people" theme, meanwhile, moved into
    Christianity - the Protestants of Northern Ireland,
    for example, (remember the Ulster Covenant?), and
    apartheid South Africa and, in some respects, the
    United States.

    The New Testament is laced with virulent
    anti-Semitism, accusing the Jews of killing Christ.
    Read Martin Luther. The Koran demanded the forced
    submission of conquered peoples in the name of
    religion (the Koran 9:29), and Mohammed’s successor,
    the Caliph Abu Bakr, stated specifically that "we will
    treat as an unbeliever whoever rejects Allah and
    Mohammed, and we will make holy war upon him ... for
    such there is only the sword and fire and
    indiscriminate slaughter."

    So there you go. And how does Mr Shepherd deal with
    all this? Settlement policy should be rejected not
    because it is theologically questionable but because
    the dispossession of a people is morally wrong.
    Anti-Semitism must be rejected not because it is
    incompatible with the Gospels but because it is
    incompatible with any basic morality based on shared
    human values.

    If Muslim violence is to be condemned, it is not
    because Mohammed is misunderstood but because it
    violates basic human rights. "West Bank settlements,
    Christian anti-Semitism and Muslim terrorism ... are
    not morally wrong because theologically questionable -
    they are theologically questionable because morally
    wrong."

    And it is true that most Christians, Jews and Muslims
    draw on the tolerant, moderate aspects of their
    tradition. We prefer not to accept the fact that the
    religions of the children of Abraham are inherently
    flawed in respect of intolerance, discrimination,
    violence and hatred. Only - if I understand Mr
    Shepherd’s thesis correctly - by putting respect for
    human rights above all else and by making religion
    submit to universal human values can we " grasp the
    nettle".

    Phew. I can hear the fundamentalists roaring already.
    And I have to say it will probably be the Islamic ones
    who will roar loudest. Reinterpretation of the Koran
    is such a quicksand, so dangerous to approach, so
    slippery a subject that most Muslims will not go near.

    How can we suggest that a religion based on
    "submission" to God must itself "submit" to our
    happy-clappy, all-too-Western " universal human
    rights"? I don’t know. Especially when we "
    Christians" have largely failed to condemn some of our
    own atrocities - indeed, have preferred to forget
    them.

    Take the Christians who massacred the Muslims of
    Srebrenica. Or take the Christians - Lebanese
    Phalangist allies of the Israelis - who entered the
    Sabra and Chatila refugee camps in Beirut and
    slaughtered up to 1,700 Palestinian Muslim civilians.

    Do we remember that? Do we recall that the massacres
    occurred between 16 and 18 September 1982? Yes, today
    is the 23rd anniversary of that little genocide - and
    I suspect The Independent will be one of the very few
    newspapers to remember it. I was in those camps in
    1982. I climbed over the corpses. Some of the
    Christian Phalangists in Beirut even had illustrations
    of the Virgin Mary on their gun butts, just as the
    Christian Serbs did in Bosnia.

    Are we therefore in a position to tell our Muslim
    neighbours to "grasp the nettle"? I rather think not.
    Because the condition of human rights has been so
    eroded by our own folly, our illegal invasion of Iraq
    and the anarchy that we have allowed to take root
    there, our flagrant refusal to prevent further Israeli
    settlement expansion in the West Bank, our constant,
    whining demands that prominent Muslims must disown the
    killers who take their religious texts too literally,
    that we have long ago lost our moral compass.

    A hundred years of Western interference in the Middle
    East has left the region so cracked with fault lines
    and artificial frontiers and heavy with injustices
    that we are in no position to lecture the Islamic
    world on human rights and values. Forget the
    Amalekites and the Persians and Martin Luther and the
    Caliph Abu Bakr. Just look at ourselves in the mirror
    and we will see the most frightening text of all.

    © 2005 Independent News & Media (UK) Ltd.
                  

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09-26-2005, 12:19 PM
Omar
<aOmar
Registered: 02-14-2003
Total Posts: 239





Re: An Independent Article (very interesting) (Re: Eman El Sayed Taha)

    Dear Eman,


    Taking some of the Islamic quotes out of its historical context, renders it irrelevant, and reflects injustice in terms of trying to establish the fact that, Islam promoted violence or the use of extreme force in dealing with those who are opposing you, or don’t share your belief. As we all know the verse that say “ إنك لا تهدى من أحببت و لكن الله يهدى من يشاء" , among other verses and historical practices of Muslims who invaded new lands, about how they accepted “the other” and protected them within the Islamic state. We should also remember the understanding that, versus of the bible he or they quote are not the original testament, as we all know there are more than one version of the holy book, something that needs no further proof of the alterations on the original texts. We have no doubt that the word of God promotes love among the people, and not violence and terror. However, the idea of trying to discuss linking terrorism to one religion as what is going on these days in the West is a good move in the right direction..


    Thanks for an interesting article indeed, I might come back with more observations about the rest of the article.
                  

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09-26-2005, 09:03 PM
Omar
<aOmar
Registered: 02-14-2003
Total Posts: 239





Re: An Independent Article (very interesting) (Re: Omar)

    Quote: A hundred years of Western interference in the Middle
    East has left the region so cracked with fault lines
    and artificial frontiers and heavy with injustices
    that we are in no position to lecture the Islamic
    world on human rights and values.



    Very true...
                  

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